Relics or Antiques?

Discussion in 'General Military Arms & History Forum' started by Sylk206, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. Sylk206

    Sylk206 New Member

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    Hello!
    I'm new to guns so forgive me if this is a very naive question..I'm trying to determine when these guns were manufactured? I think they might be WWII relics, but are they antiques (made before 1898)?

    1-Nambo or Nambu Chinese Luger 8mm Pistol
    2-Samcn M-1935A 7.65L Pistol
    3-Glisenti 1910 9mm Pistol
    4-Bodeo Bernardella Guardia di Finanza 9mm Revolver
    5-Bodeo Midi 1880 10.35 Revolver

    Thank you very much for your help.

    Sylvia
  2. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

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    #1, Nambu, is Japanese, not Chinese. They were all made after 1898.

    #2, based on the model number - Model 1935A - I suspect was designed in 1935, although your particular gun could have been made any time after that.

    #3, same thing. First made in 1910, and yours could have been made any time after that.

    The last two I can't find any reference to.
  3. jack404

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    The Guardia Di Finanza ( Finance Guards, ie, the Tax and Customs Service) have existed in Italy since Napoleonic Times

    they were issued with Bernardelli made "Glisenti (or Bodeo, to give the proper name, as Glisenti was the original manufacturer of the Design back in Black powder days, (the M1874..Bodeo developed the later (M1889) shorter, lighter version for use with smokeless powder; Glisenti Siderurgica (Gl. Steel Works) were still the major maker right up through the First World War.
    Bernardelli and also SFARE G Vt ( Army Assembly section, Gardone) made or assembled M1889s for all the Services in Italy during the 1920s ( Army, Carabinieri, Colonial Services, Finanza, and Regie Guardie ( State Police); Bernardelli was also able to sell these on the civilian market for Municipal Guards, prisons, etc.

    Ammunition was produced by all the major Italian makers, (Gov't Factories, as well as SMI, Fiocchi, BPD, Leon Beaux of Milan, and Martignoni) in the "modern" M89/99 Gilded lead smokeless loading.

    There is a little handbook in Italian, by the Editors of "Diana Armi" an Italian Monthly on Firearms, called "Le Pistole Bodeo" ( or similar title published som 20 years ago...a good analysis of all types of 10,4mm revolvers, both Bodeo system ( folding trigger,(Trooper's Model) and "officers Model" with trigger guard) and some of the other WW I substitues from Spain ( on the break-top S&W system) of which several tens of thousands were acquired, also in 10,4mm.

    By the end of the 1930s, all front line officers and NCOs in all the services had been issued with Beretta M934 Autos, the "Glisenti" revolvers were relegated to Country Carabinieri and Local Police, and Non-essential services where the "Pistol" was more a ceremonial appendage than a tool of trade. Many were also shipped to the Colonies, where the heavy .42 calibre slug was more efficient than the small, 93 grain 9mm Corto projectile in dispatching animals and the occasional recalcitrant native. They were also simpler for the untrained native levies to start off on ( although by the time a native trooper reached Non-commissioned Rank, he usually had already upwards of Ten years service, and was quite well experienced with All types of Italian and Foreign Firearms, given the hotch-potch of equipment in the AOI.
  4. Alpo

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    Re-read your question. Thought you were just trying to figger out if they were old enough to be "non-guns by virtue of age".

    The Nambu is most likely WW2. Depends on which one you have.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol

    The French 1935 - WW2 up through Viet Nam, or as the French called it, Indo-China.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modèle_1935_pistol

    The Italian 1910 was WW1 and WW2.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glisenti_Model_1910

    And I see from the Glisenti article that it replaced the Bodeo 1889, which it tells about here.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodeo_Model_1889
    So I'm guessing you either misread the model, or mistyped it in your post.

    I found this about your other one. Not quite the same gun, as it is not 9mm.
    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?5984-Bodeo-Revolver-M-1922-from-Glisenti
  5. jack404

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    there is a reference to a 1880 model but mainly in 10.4 mm not 9 mm

    got no data other than a reference to it , no numbers made just that they made very few 9mm's in the 1880 model

    and that that model did not stay in production long ..