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Replica 1851 Navy

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by CountryGunsmith, Feb 26, 2003.

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    THUNDERBOLT
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    my great granfather (106 years old) past away leaving me
    with some nice weapons, but one I do not know to much
    about is a 44 or 45 COLT pistol I belive its a navy iss.
    because not only was my ggf. in the navy but it has navy
    ships and ports ingraved on it its also stamped may 1843
    and colts pat.no.sept 10th 1850 and serial no.s match
    A38005 some PN & AP stamed in with no.s, what is it?
    whats it worth?
    THUNDERBOLT

    Edited by: THUNDERBOLT at: 2/15/02 2:23:37 am

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    Well, something is not quite adding up for me.

    What are the markings on the left side of the barrel, and on the top of the barrel?

    Also, what markings are on the underside of the grip (turn the gun upside down)?


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    THUNDERBOLT
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    There are no markings on the barrel eccept when I turn the
    gun upside down the serial no.s and stamps are located in
    front of trigger on both the barrel and body

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    There is no caliber marking on the left side of the barrel?

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    Tac401
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    Is this a pistol or revolver?
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    Xracer
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    Is this a revolver or auto pistol?

    If this is a revolver, tell everything it says on the top of the barrel, in exactly the order it says it. Then do the same with the left side of the gun.

    If it's an auto, tell everything it says on the left side of the slide, in exactly the order it says it.

    THUNDERBOLT
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    if there is I do not see it, the gun puzzuls me

    THUNDERBOLT
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    revolver

    THUNDERBOLT
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    its a revolver and only stamped under the gun in front off
    the trigger and on the cylynder

    Tac401
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    Can you post a picture of it or email one of us
    a picture?
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    THUNDERBOLT
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    yes I have get a picture to scan it

    Xracer
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    You say it has engraving of some naval scenes.....are they on the cylinder? Could the patent date be 1850 rather than 1950?

    I'm getting the feeling that this might be a reproduction of an 1851 Navy. Or possibly even an original?

    But that May 1943 sure doesn't compute!

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    None of the markings compute with Colt.

    Hanging back for more inf or pictures.


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    THUNDERBOLT
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    yes the ingraving is on the cylinder, and the dates are
    1843 and 1850

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    There you have it. Sounds like an Italian replica of one of the Army models (probabaly 1860).




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    Edited by: AntiqueDr at: 2/15/02 7:33:37 am

    Xracer
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    I think we're getting close, Doc, but I think it's got to be a replica of the Navy.

    The 1860 Army didn't have a cylinder with a scrolled Navy scene, did it?

    THUNDERBOLT
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    and if it is, whats it worth?

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    Yes, the 1860 Army had the same cylinder scene as the 1851 Navy.

    The reason I am leaning toward the Army is that all the Navy guns were .36 cal.

    If it is in fact an Italian repro, value ranges depending on the actual manufacturer and overall quality. Some were imported assembled and finished, some were finished in the states, and some were imported in complete kit form for the retail customer to finish. Value from a low of about $75 if functional, to maybe $300 for a really quality piece.

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    it may very well be a 36 cal. I dont know, can I email you
    a picture ?

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    Absolutely.

    AntiqueDr@ApaxEnterprises.com

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    Xracer
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    Please let us know what it turns out to be, Doc.
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