Rifle easier to find than .357

Discussion in 'Large-Bore/Small-Bore Rifle/Shotgun' started by Kristie, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. ozo

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    A bore snake isn't expensive.....and you need both [snake and rod]
    anyway, as they perform different tasks as tools do.
    The snake is much better for a lever gun on a regular use basis
    because it pulls the crud away from the breach, to help keep
    your action clean.....whereas a rod will push towards the action.
    [if you don't take it completely down for average cleaning]
    Also, you should have a 'rod guide' to keep the cleaning rod
    centered in the muzzle while cleaning. They too are cheap.
    [especially if your cleaning rod isn't coated]

    I have a Rossi 92, also a Browning 92, and a Marlin 1894C
    They are all sweet, and feed everything well. [all are .38/.357]
    Sometimes picky with wadcutters I load....but you will most
    likely never have that problem.....and you ain't 'spose to use
    them anyhow.

    Just remember about the different ammo.......before you get
    frustrated and start trying to sight it in, adjusting, cussing, etc.
    My method.......
    I sight in with .357 158grain ammo, then I leave the sights alone.....
    When I shoot the .38's or the .357 125grain I just compensate,
    they don't shoot the same, and you will be there all week trying
    to hit where you want if you keep moving the sight for the ammo.
    [yet, I do keep one of mine sighted for the .38's .....I load a lot
    of them for some of my Smith's]
    Sight yours in for what you will shoot mostly.....
    and a .38 is not too shabby of a round with that
    length of barrel.
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  2. ozo

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    Now, your handgun....
    I'm glad to see you didn't choose the 'mares leg'.
    It is more of a 'novelty' gun, and has a use...somewhere.

    You have a Single-Six Convertible
    Get a Ruger Blackhawk.....maybe the most rugged,
    trouble-free revolver ever made.
    If it is a bit heavy for you [I doubt it] you can put
    Hogue monogrips on her to balance it out.
    I cannot imagine not having at least ONE !

    With your Golden Boy, Single-Six, Rossi 92, and a Blackhawk....
    you will be all cowboyed up !

    If a double action revolver is more your choice now,
    I suggest the Ruger GP-100 and another one built like a tank.
    Trigger is pretty good out of the box, and easy to smooth if needed.

    If you want something smaller, the Ruger SP-101 is a great choice.
    Also, a very tough gun.....but the triggers are not known to be
    very smooth right out of the box [mine is/was the absolute worst,
    by far, of any Ruger I've owned in over fifty years !!]
    If you choose the SP-101 do yourself a huge favor.....and put
    Trausch grips on it.....:):)
  3. Kristie

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    Hey ozo - You really think a rod guide is necessary? Yeah, all I have is the cheap aluminum ones, not the nicer coated ones.

    Good info. on the sighting in. I don't tend to move the sights, anyway, unless by accident while cleaning. Interestingly enough, the first two boxes of .38s and .357s I picked up are both 160 grain rounds. Thought that was kind of weird, so I picked up some .38s with less grains, too, I forget how many. I'll be interested to see the difference in how they shoot. Also, the former were jacketed in an aluminum alloy and I think they were hollow point, and the latter were solid tipped and brass. Ammo choices sure complicate this thing a lot!

    I still like the idea of a mare's leg. I've been considering one for a while, but it would just be for a fun gun, I think. You're so right about it being a novelty. I think I would go for the one made by Henry, though, over Rossi. We'll see.

    This is terrible, because I never wanted to get into gun collecting, but I can see myself wanting the revolver next, and maybe the mare's leg, and a bolt action. (I am really liking the Ruger 77.357 but I wish it had more capacity) How ridiculous!

    And yeah, for the revolver I want a double action this time. I take it the Blackhawk's not? I haven't looked at that one much but I've seen plenty of good comments on them.

    Yes, I can see I am getting "cowboyed up." That's mostly because I have come to have an interest in guns through liking history so much. And I trust the way those kinds of guns work (and my ability to use and understand them) over the more modern ones. Simpler is better, for what I want to buy, I think.

    I actually handled a GP-101 when I went to pick up my rifle. Really liked it, actually, but it only had the 2.2 in. barrel. I think I'm set on wanting the 4.2 in. one. They a Taurus model that was really similar, too, (can't remember what it was called) and it had the 4.2 in. barrel, but the grip was one of the rubber ones that reminded me of the handlebar grips on a little kid's bicycle. It felt secure, but I just couldn't "like" it. That size frame, with that size barrel, felt really right, though. I'm going to see if I can find an SP-101 to handle next. One of those is probably what I'll settle on, and I think it'll be a good choice. Of course, Smith and Wesson isn't out of the question, either. Just have to see what I can find.
  4. FreeSovereign

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    Head shots at 10-15 yards. Heck a rock would've worked. Still better than a stick and string. But yeah, I wouldn't recomend it otherwise. It may not be the true ''cowboy action'' but rather just the cheap stuff. Either way they are dead and consumed.
  5. ozo

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    I believe a rod guide is important....over time, to not damage the crown.
    Back in the days of real, family owned gun stores, when used guns were
    plentiful and affordable, I bought many nice guns....good price....
    but didn't shoot as well as I thought a gun of that quality should......
    Everything else in good working order....I would re-crown the barrel....
    very easy to do....and make one hell of a shooter BACK out of a gun
    that should already have been one.
    Yes, I think it is important to use a rod guide.....
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    The Blackhawk [Ruger] is just like your Single-Six SA .22 convertible.....
    only the next frame size up.
    Totally magnificent awesome gun........built stronger than a military tank.
    There are even special 'hot' loads in reloading data that only this and
    a few other guns can withstand the pressures from.
    ONLY drawback......as you know with your .22........
    one at a time, in and out, loading, unloading.......
    BUT...IMHO.....a MUST HAVE revolver !!
    If you choose the small [J-frame] SP-101.....even the .38's
    are not that comfortable to shoot 100 rounds out of.....let nobody
    fool you on that...and get Trausch grips for any SP-101.
    If the size is not too large.....you will be much better off, all
    the way around, with a GP-100.
    I would still check out a Ruger Blackhawk first...before you decide.
    Several barrel lengths.....and will outlast your great-grandchildren !
  7. ozo

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    GP-100 [actually KGP-141 ?]
    K for stainless, 4 for 4" barrel
    She's sorta dirty in these pics.....
    MamaOzo shoots the beans outa her......

    Well balanced, tough as railroad track, good
    trigger right from the box.........
    and a front sight system that is so, so cool....
    and can be changed in 4 seconds.....
    [I think a law should be passed to require this
    type of front sight system on almost every gun :):)]

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  8. graehaven

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    If you were looking for a "SHTF" weapons setup, why are you married to a lever action and a revolver?

    In a SHTF situation, the two most common platforms around are the AR-15 (in either 5.56mm or .223) and the 9mm handgun (a la Glock).

    The AR has 3 times the capacity as the lever action and the difference in ammo cost between .357 and 5.56 is negligible.

    And 9mm is cheaper than .357 all day long. Also, again, capacity.

    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
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    This should help with your confusion.....
    "So I wanted a .357 rifle (preferably a carbine) and a .357 revolver combo."

    Because it's what the OP wants......nuff said.
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    I'm guessing, from what the last few posts have said, that you have bought your rifle? If so, then my comments won't do you any good, but maybe they'll help others.

    The big loop 92 (like that 45 on the bottom) are FUN. They are. I play John Wayne, and spin it. It's just neat.

    [​IMG]

    Slow as hell, though, when you are shooting it. Because of the size of the loop, your hand has to move about an extra inch and a half, in both directions, when working the lever, and that just slows you down. The standard lever, like is on that 357 on top, is much quicker. The 4 extra inches of barrel does not make the gun any less handy, and gives you another two rounds - 10+1 vs. 8+1.

    Soundguy has said, a couple of times, that he has a Rossi in 38. Never heard of one of them. Rossi is a 38/357, at least all of 'em I've seen. And they work with both. Mine has fed everything I've put in it, from empty 38 brass to full-bore 357s. Marlin, on t'other hand, is a 357. They can be kinda picky about feeding 38s, unless you have some work done on it to fix that, and then they can be kinda picky about feeding 357.

    Colt used to make a pump rifle. The Lightning. Came in 44/40, 38/40 and 32/20. It wasn't a really good gun. When I worked, it worked fine, but it often did not work, and it was hard to work on. They discontinued it. Cowboy-shooting rules allows lever guns, so several companies make/made copies of the Colt Lightning. Pedersoli, in Italy, Taurus in Brasil and US Fire Arms, up in Connecticut. These new copies come in 357, 44 magnum and 45 Colt. They are all expensive, and none of them work very well.

    The Mares Laig is a cute toy, but not a practical gun. It would NOT replace a pistol. Getting one and putting a full-size stock on it, now - THAT would make a nice short gun. You'd have to paper it as a SBR, though, and pay the 200 dollar tax.

    In 30/30, you pretty much have a choice between the Winchester, at 6 pounds, and the Marlin at 8 pounds. The Marlin does not kick very hard, but it is heavy as hell to tote around. The Winchester is much nicer to carry, but because it's so light can really do a number on your shoulder. And whichever one of those you pick, it's only 6 rounds.

    I've heard bad things about both of the guns, lately. Rossi was bought by Taurus, and Taurus makes crap, so Rossi has gone downhill. Marlin was bought by the new owners of Remington, and since the buyout, Marlin has gone downhill. So sayeth the web-gossip.

    I'm just glad I got all mine several years ago.
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  11. Kristie

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    I'm looking into the rod guide. Need to find out if Wal-Mart/Farm and Fleet or a local gun shop would have a reasonable one.

    I don't think I'd like a Blackhawk at the moment, if at all, because I honestly think it'll be too heavy/cumbersome. I think I might've actually handled one before but I can't remember if that's what it was or not. Probably was, because I was considering a .357 single action before I got my .22, and I think I changed my mind because the one place around here that had a .357 gave me a hassle and they decided to refuse to sell it to me. I think they thought I couldn't handle it and they were really, really pushing some classes/training first. And this was after I'd been there once, was waiting for them to get one with the barrel I wanted, and then they decided to pull that crap on me. It's a shame, because it's a really cool place, but I'll never go back there again. That place has a reputation of doing that kind of thing to anyone who goes in there, but I found that out afterwards....

    Yeah, I know that shooting 100 rounds of .38s won't feel great, but I don't think I ever plan on shooting that many at once anyway. Maybe just one box of 50 at a time. :D

    I really am liking that GP 100 at this point. And I don't see myself getting replacement grips, either. I'm just going to make sure the ones I get are comfortable for me before I buy it. You guys probably do stuff like that all the time because this is your hobby, but I really don't want to have to spend any more extra. I do like those fiber optic sights, though!

    Graehaven - Yeah, I'm serious about this being a SHTF weapon, and I've seen the recommendation of an AR over and over. But I think a lever gun can shoot pretty fast, and at this large a caliber, the capacity it holds is just fine with me. I can see the benefit of an AR, yes, but if I had one, I don't think I'd ever use it just for plinking because it's not something I'm familiar with/interested in, so it just doesn't seem practical to me. And as for deciding against the 9 mm., yes, that was mostly because of wanting to have a paired longgun and pistol. But also because it's not considered that great of a defensive round.
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    I just got the GP100. I absolutly love it. My wife shot it (38 and 357) and loves it too. In fact, I dumping my 9mm SIG today. The GP does everything I need it to do. When discussing SHTF weapons everyone is different. I think the most important thing is to train whatever you have.

    ps, i opted out of AR's too...and went with the ranch rifle (mini 14).
  13. graehaven

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    Thanks. I was NOT confused at all.

    He mentioned a SHTF rifle BEFORE the .357 carbine, and they are demonstrably 2 different things.

    He also mentioned that he'd be willing to look at something other than the .357. Which is why I mentioned the AR platform.

    No confusion. Just a better alternative offered.
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    The 9mm round in several defensive offerings are more than adequate for a SHTF situation. Expense seemed to be an issue with you. 9mm ammo is more affordable than .357.

    An AR will shoot faster, more accurately at long distances, and offers the ability to put far more lead down range than any lever gun. And it's faster to reload. All things that MATTER in a SHTF situation.

    If you really want a pair of .357 guns that's fine. More power to you. I just don't think there's evidence enough to suggest that they fit the bill of a SHTF setup. YMMV. Good luck.
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  15. RunningOnMT

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    When you all use the acronym SHTF you presuppose your own independent ideas of likely scenarios. Without a consensus of what these scenarios might be, it's difficult for one person to advise another as to what their needs might be. In fact all of our planning is based on pure speculation. What will be the circumstances when the SHTF? Will we face world wide famine, earthquakes, giant tsunamis, EMP's, race riots, suspension of the constitution and martial law, an armed invasion by Pakistani paratroopers, or all of the above???

    Those of us with military experience and preparing to engage larger enemy forces will likely select the AR or AK, while others anticipating natural disasters might choose arms appropriate for hunting the local game in whatever region they may be in, and only infrequent self defense against hostile humans.

    Realizing we may be on foot in any number of circumstances we try to economize in the selection of the gear we will have to carry. In this respect, having a rifle and handgun in the same caliber could be an advantage, avoiding the need to stock up and transport multiple calibers of ammunition. Another choice might be a high power scoped rifle for hunting large game and possibly sniping an enemy? It might be that the best all around choice for a SHTF scenario would be a .22 LR.

    Making that choice is somewhat of a crap shoot. I would be hard pressed to choose only one or two firearms. Do you give up your AR and hundreds of rounds for a 12 ga with much less ammo? Each individual must carefully consider for himself what events are most likely to occur, and what his or her needs would be. Unless you will be hunkering down in one spot, the equipment choices one makes requires consolidation and economy.

    Besides economy, in any speculation of future events we must expect the unexpected. One thing I've learned in life is that nothing ever happens the way I anticipated. If you prepare for one specific type of event, you could find yourself woefully unprepared for your circumstances. One would look rather silly humping a snorkel and fins in the desert.

    Another critical factor in our equipment choices is maintenance and reliability. What equipment is most likely to fail and what is your capability of making repairs? My guess would be that a revolver is far more reliable and less likely to break than any semi auto pistol though lacking in capacity and slower to reload.

    Let's not forget our own skills and abilities. Some people might be quite proficient with a 9mm but not be able to hit squat with a .45 or .357. Whatever your choices training with them is essential. Besides my meager stores I know I personally need much more range time than I've been getting. Taking advanced combat courses in handgun, rifle, and shotgun is essential if one is to survive a real world scenario.

    The bottom line is that each individual has to consider many factors in their selection of a SHTF firearm(s), and I don't think any of us can decide that for someone else. JMHO
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    Kristie,
    I think you're on the right track.....
    you are doing very well on your own
    despite it all.
    This link will show you what rod guide I was referring to,
    although this is a complete kit. I was simply talking about
    one of the brass guides [tapered] that you can see
    three of in the picture.
    http://www.amazon.com/Tipton-Basic-...&qid=1353504491&sr=1-24&keywords=cleaning rod

    edit: Aha, found one....this is the rod guide...

    http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Shot-Fits...qid=1353506063&sr=1-350&keywords=cleaning rod


    If you choose a GP-100 you most likely will never
    want to change the grip anyway. The rubber grip that
    comes on it will handle hot loads....and holds very comfortably.

    The grip change I meant was for the smaller SP-101.
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    My humblest apologies grae
    I am old and I simply mis-read
    your ten (10) :confused: emoticons in a row.

    Old, maybe, but I can still HEAR.
  18. Kristie

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    RunningOnMT - Thanks for that, that was a great post. It is sure hard to plan for something so hypothetical.

    Ozo - Thanks for the links. I might just get one of those online, but I hate to pay shipping. :rolleyes:
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    Just look for a guide anytime you are out and about....
    If you get in Gander Mountain or similar....they should have one.
    If you decide to get a new cleaning rod, some of them come with
    a rod guide.....well, KleenBore brand does anyway....and one
    right here in front of me...from Gander....is a KleenBore
    Model No. DR-102 33" w/rod guide and good for calibers .22thru.45
    which will work on both your rifles......just an FYI.
  20. Kristie

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    Just for kicks, I did a search of the forums for bore guide and came up with all of these threads about rod vs. snake, and all I have to say now is :eek:. And now I'm wondering why you recommended a bore guide for a lever action. I'm not sure I'd really like to have to take the gun apart to take the bolt out. No one really seems to talk about the ones that go in the muzzle and I wonder why that is? Too many bolt action users out there? Maybe the best thing I can do is get a coated cleaning rod instead and not worry about doing anything else. I was disappointed with the variety of cleaning rods they had at Gander. All I could find was aluminum, which I was annoyed about. Lots to think about.
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