Riverside Arms 12 gauge, somethings missing here

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  1. fuzebox40

    fuzebox40 Active Member

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    I’m repairing this one for a friend and I’m having trouble determining just exactly what part or parts are missing.
    The gun will function but it won’t cock itself when breaking it open as it should. Looking into the receiver you can see two side by side levers. You can see them again through a hole in the bottom of the receiver. Apparently this hole was drilled so that a hillbilly could cock the gun by pushing the levers up with a screwdriver, or more likely a stick he found. I'm provoked to fix it propper cuz I'm anal that way but the parts list and pics are leaving me still unsure.
    This is apparently (same as) a Stevens model 315 and here is the link to the Numnuts parts list.

    http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=5518

    If anyone is highly familiar or possibly owns one of these I‘d surely appreciate your help.
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  3. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Check inside the rear part of the forestock for the cocking lever(s). Should be something sticking out thru the iron.
  4. Hawg

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    I've got a hammerless Riverside and it looks the same. My cocking rod was brazed at some point but works ok. If you're not in a real big hurry I'll try to break it down sometime this weekend and take pics.
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    Yes, it has the ejector sticking out.

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    Thanks, I'll be checking in several times a day.
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    Hope these help.

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    Hawg...yes, this definitely helps! Your pic #2 shows what looks to be the main part I'm missing. As you can see in my 1st pic I have no loose parts sticking out the bottom of the breech. They are calling that part the "cocking hook" So I obviously need that. Mine has the through pin that keeps it in but I can't tell if there is anything else there that isn't showing in the picture, so can you tell me if there is any other part there with it, under or behind that I can't see?
    The Numrich drawing shows a small part called the "cocking plunger" #37 goin somewhere in that area but can't tell where. I'm wondering if maybe that is what the other hole is for. Looking at it from the front there are 2 holes, 1 is for the extractor push rod an and the other "on mine" has nothing going through it. Any feedback you can give me on that?
    Thanks a bunch for the help here, these 2 parts have been my suspects but couldn't verify until now.
  9. Hawg

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    The piece you're missing is connected in with the extractor and the extractor plunger. It all moves as one unit.

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    I really should replace mine and the cocking plunger but the brazing works and I don't use it much.
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    cocking lever, cocking hook - what's in a name???
    Good job HAWG
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    Thanks Jim. Fuzebox if you get your part installed be careful how you install the barrels. The cocking lever has to go inside the forks. If you don't get it inside you can break it and/or the cocking lever. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to mine and probably yours also. I'll bet there's a lot of these old guns stored away with broken parts that could be picked up for a little of nothing.
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    You're right. I have an 1880s Anson & Deeley - that is a real beetch to put back together - the cocking lugs have to fit just perfectly into the fore stock end iron or nothing works.
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    I agree, right away I could see that the parts would bind if not properly possitioned and something would have to give, which is probably why I can't find these parts anywhere. Numnuts has most of it but the cocking hook and plunger are sold out. The two most common reasons for a part to be sold out: No.1-Because I need it. No.2-Problematic part.



    In some cases they are one in the same, but in this case the Hook is on the breech and the lever is in the receiver. I only mention it because it looks like my next attempt to find the parts will be Jack First Gun Shop where I'll be on the phone requesting them by part name only.

    I've tried everywhere else I know of, namely: Bob's, Poppert's, Numnuts, Hoosier, Dick Williams, *********, Bear Creek, etc.. I'll follow up on any sugestions for the search too.

    Meanwhile I want to thank you both for your input, and Hawg, very good of you to take the time to break yours down and get pictures up.;)
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    Interesting. I guess there are certain names we're not suposed to mention? I see one was auto blanked out in my prior post.
    Anything I need to know?
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    You're welcome Fuzebox. Glad to be able to help. I doubt there's many on here that have one of these and I know what a booger it is trying to find parts when you're not sure exactly what parts you need.
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    When you're looking for parts, put Stevens/Savage model 315 on our list too. <--Oops, I see that you've already got 315 listed as a cross-reference. Missed that the first time I read the post.
    Your Riverside is one of the trade names that was rolled onto that model. There are a lot of em out there and can be picked up pretty cheap.
    My dad has a twin to your shotgun with the Springfield name.

    The most likely reason that the cocking hook breaks or bends is it's sticky and doesn't slide forward as you're assembling the barrel onto the receiver. It's normally forward out of the way of the cocking levers until you snap the forearm on, then the forearms spring pushes the cocking hook back to engage the levers as the action is opened.
    So...if you do find the parts, keep here cleaned and oiled and it'll live a nice long life.

    Good luck on the parts hunt!
    I would check with Jack First too. I would be surprised if they didn't have one. And if not I would bet they've got the pattern and could make one for ya.
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    Maybe it's because mine has been brazed but with the hook fully forward it takes some finessing to get it together. I think these are true Riversides. Either that or Stevens kept true to the Riverside design. My Stevens Springfield is nothing like this.
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  18. fuzebox40

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    Here's some interesting info I found....

    The Riverside Arms Co. name first appears in the J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co., Chicopee Falls, Mass., catalogue No. 54 issued circa 1914 on a hammerless double the No. 315 and a hammer double No. 215. These guns were based on G.S. Lewis Patents No. 1,086,378 granted Feb. 10, 1914, for the hammer gun and Patent No. 1,136,247 granted Apr. 20, 1915, for the hammerless gun. During WW-I the Stevens factories were taken over by, I believe New England Westinghouse, for wartime production.
    After the Great War the Chicopee Falls factories were bought by Savage Arms Corp. and the gun business there emerged as J. Stevens Arms Co. a wholly owned subsidiary of Savage Arms Corp. They continued to manufacture both Stevens and Riverside guns up to about 1930, when they changed the name of their lower priced line from Riverside Arms Co. to Springfield Arms Co.
    Originally offered in 12- and 16-gauges, the 20-gauge and .410-bore were added to the No. 315 by the 1925 J. Stevens Arms Co. catalogue No. 56. The hammer gun now the Springfield No. 215 was still offered in the 1931 price list, but by the 1933 price list the hammer gun was gone.
    In the 1933 price list, a cheaper version of the Springfield No. 315 was added to the line with an uncheckered walnut-finish stock and called the Springfield No. 311. Both the No. 315 and the No. 311 remained in the line to WW-II.
    By 1947, Savage consolidated their operations at Chicopee Falls, Mass. while their factory at Utica, New York went to making washing machines for the post-war housing boom. By the 1947 catalogue the Springfield No. 311 was now a cheaper version for the Fox Model B action with a Tentite stock and forearm. By the 1948 catalogue the Springfield name wasn't being used and the same gun was a Stevens No. 311.
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    In past research I discovered Riverside was a stand alone company before being bought out by Stevens. I really don't see Stevens using a mechanism more complex than what they already had.
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    Stevens dropped the Springfield name on shotguns in 48. It's been my understanding the 311 came about in 49 and the mechanism used was the 5100. Some of the early 311's carried both 311 and 5100 markings. I've seen pics of a couple of them. Stevens used a date code starting in 49. I never saw a 311 without one until the ones made after 1970. IIRC the 315 was dropped in 54.
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