Ron Paul Issues Statement on ATF Gun Scandal

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by MattCollins, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. American Leader

    American Leader Well-Known Member

    Mar 1, 2011
    I have been involved in local politics for years, but our federal government has become so corrupt I don't believe anything they say. The world is all about power and money and our federal government is no exception. There's elected officials who would sell us out for a buck and do on a regular basis. Many in our Country have lost their honesty, integrity, and ability to differentiate between right and wrong. I agree Paul is unelectable, but I agree with many of his basic principals as well, we just can't isolate ourselves from the world of today and survive. Lets all pray we get a new President in 2012 who has the guts and brains to ask God for His help and bring our great Nation back from the brink of distruction!
  2. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    There's one reason why Ron Paul can't be elected president: because of people like you all that say he's unelectable. There is only one thing wrong with Ron Paul and that is that every time he opens his mouth the truth comes out.

    I can't think of any "crazy conspiracies" the man has ever espoused. We have seen no other that is as fervent a fighter for the constitution as this man. So as you continue to suffer the abuses of government and violations of the constitution, just remember Ron Paul is unelectable.

    Here is a prime example of the saying "people get the government they deserve".

  3. 45nut

    45nut Well-Known Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    Hey Hogger,

    When was the last time Fedzilla told the truth with out a gun held to their head?
  4. Caneman

    Caneman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2010
    Ron Paul also wants to legalize heroin, and he is a licensed medical doctor!

    He has many other nutty positions such as this but he is not really talking about it right now because he wants to be perceived as "electable"...

  5. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2007
    There is a vast difference between "wants to legalize" and "recognizes that the Federal government has no authority on this issue." Criminal law is intended as a domain of states, not the Feds. If any state wants to criminalize possession of heroin, marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, or masking tape, that's up to that particular state.
    Ron Paul is pointing out that the Federal Government has dramatically overstepped its bounds.
  6. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2009
    North Florida
  7. rentalguy1

    rentalguy1 Former Guest


    Way to regurgitate democratic talking points! You've just shown yourself to be in complete ignorance of the facts. He does not want to "legalize" heroin. He wants to end the "war on drugs," so we can stop throwing money at a problem that we don't have a prayer of winning. He wants the STATES to take the lead on this matter, as it should be, instead of the federal government.

    For all you other ignorance spewers, tell me exactly what conspiracy theory Dr. Paul believes in. You damn well better research it, too! I'm sick of you people that have no actual knowledge of this guy simply spouting off what you hear on the TV and the radio. Look it up and read the FACTS, people!!!
  8. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2009
    North Florida
    I dont think that is his problem. And I really cant put my finger on it either. It has to do with the truth being told. I like much of what he says. I just doubt he will have the majority behind him. If he did, I would vote for him in a heartbeat. As far as this next election goes, I would vote in a dog to get bozo out.
  9. Caneman

    Caneman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2010
    GOP debate: Ron Paul makes case for heroin legalization
    May 06, 2011|By Luke Broadwater

    At the first GOP debate tonight in Greenville, S.C., Republican presidential candidate and U.S. Congressman Ron Paul made the case for legalizing drugs, even heroin.

    In an exchange with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Paul made the point that people should have the freedom to do things to themselves that might seem crazy to others.

    "You have a right to do things that are very controversial," Paul said.

    "Are you sugggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty?" Wallace countered.

    At this, Paul turned his attention to the audience, which loudly cheered most comments he made, despite orders from the moderators not to do so.

    "How many people here would use heroin if it were legal?" Paul asked. "I bet nobody would."

    Then Paul invoked a voice of sarcasm.

    "Oh yeah, I need the government to take care of me," he said. "I don't want to use heroin, so I need these laws."

    At that, the crowd burst into applause.

    Even Wallace had to laugh.

    "Who thought heroin would get applause here in South Carolina?" he said.


    When Dr. Paul said "you have a right to do things that are very controversial" this was his response to the question "When asked by Chris Wallce why South Carolinia social conservative should vote for him if he favored the legalization of prostitution, gay marriage, marijuana, and even heroin"

    Heroin is one of the most addictive and evil drugs used today... if people use heroin now when it is illegal then it is logical to assume that they will continue to use it if it is made legal, not only that many more will as well... the fact that a licensed medical doctor such as Ron Paul supports using heroin as an "exercise of 1st ammendment rights" indicates to me that the man is not capable of consistently making sound decisions if he was POTUS.
  10. hogger129

    hogger129 Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    Well, you are correct here. The Constitution doesn't say it. I meant to say the US Declaration of Independence.

    "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence and considered by some as part of one of the most well crafted, influential sentences in the history of the English language. These three aspects are listed among the "unalienable rights" or sovereign rights of man.

    The government is supposed to act in the best interest of its citizens right?

    This could also be used to defend universal health care, but the problem there is that you violate personal property rights by forcing people to pay for such a system.

    My point is that people have a right to have access to this stuff (marijuana) because of its medical properties. Allowing people to have it in certain amounts would not mean that mass dealing and grow operations would be legal. It just means that if someone wants to smoke a little weed, they can. There's people who have survived cancer and chemo by smoking the stuff. I think smoking weed is stupid. I would never do it unless my life depended on it, but as I've said many times I'm not going to tell people what to do. I don't have that right.

    I think most people support the idea that the government should butt out of peoples' lives. Shown by people applauding to Paul's comments in South Carolina. Of course you have the far left wing people like those in California who would rather have the government take care of them and impose their lifestyle on everyone else. Which is why they were proposing that idiotic law about circumcision. Or why you can't buy a Coke from a vending machine in the city of San Francisco.

    Idk. Live and let live is the way to do it.

    As for life being a right... Well they all talk about how that means socialized health care and how it should be paid for by everyone and provided to everyone... No. RIGHTS mean that the government can't deprive you of it. It doesn't mean provided to you. The Second Amendment is my right but I don't see the US government handing out M16s to anybody except the Mexican drug cartels.,_liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_happiness
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2011
  11. hogger129

    hogger129 Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    The reason Paul never gets elected is because people have the idea that voting for him makes them 'nuts,' or 'far right wing nuts.'

    They buy into this idea that one man can't make a difference, but that's simply not true. One man CAN make a difference. Jesus Christ was one man wasn't he?

    I'm not saying Paul is Christ, but Paul is the perfect opportunity for the American people to take back the United States from these totalitarian types that run it right now.

    The Democrats do it and so do the Republicans. USA PATRIOT Act comes to mind.

    I just want a leader who is honest for once rather than helping out all their buddies that handed them money, or sidestepping the law for what they think is the 'greater good.'
  12. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2007
    Evil? How can an inanimate object be evil? Is it the same way that "assault weapons" are evil and ought to be banned? Is it the same way that "high capacity magazines" are evil and ought to be banned?

    Is it wise to use heroin? Nope. Should people choose to do so? Nope. Should we punish them for what they choose to do to themselves? No way. But drugs are the leading cause of crime in the United States today. We wouldn't have robberies if people weren't trying to get drugs. We wouldn't have robberies if people weren't allowed to own anything, either. Doesn't make it a good option.
    Punish crimes that cause damage to people and people's belongings; don't criminalize liberty.
  13. Bobitis

    Bobitis Guest

    Right on CJ.

    The nanny state has no right in my life if I'm doing no harm to anyone else. It's like seatbelt/helmet laws. How does not using one or the other affect anyone else?

    Legalizing drugs would have many benefits. But that's not what the government wants to hear.
  14. al45lc

    al45lc Active Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    colorful colorado
    The electability of ANY Presidential candidate is very much due to their own work, past records and speeches make or break them.
    How they are perceived by the "mainstream" and swing voters is key, Ron Paul simply hasn't done well in this area.
    His appeal to a group as small as this one has very little to do with it.
  15. al45lc

    al45lc Active Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    colorful colorado
    Remember the "The Shadow" ? He knew where evil lay. :)
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