Ruger LCP vs. Kahr P380

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  1. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead New Member

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    I'm looking for a compact carry pistol and both the Ruger LCP and Kahr P380 meet my "size" requirements. The Kahr is almost twice the price of the Ruger and I've had no experience with either one.

    Can anyone help me understand the merits of each and why the Kahr might be worth the extra cost?

    I'm looking for something small. My other carry pistols are a compact 45 and a Glock 23.

    Thank you,

    John
  2. rglbegl

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    I LOVE my Kahr.
    But for the price difference, I would go for the Ruger.

    The Kahr will be more accurate, it has a better barrel and better sights.
    The Kahr will be higher quality, with more attention to detail.
    I even think the Kahr has a better trigger.
    But the Ruger is a very solid, and very reliable weapon.

    Now if it were between a Ruger LCP and the Kahr PM9 . . .. no comparison. Kahr hands down.
    But every time there is a 380 discussion, someone will suggest the Kel-Tec.
    So lets see how many people jump in here to talk about a weapon that is illegal in California
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  3. Bill DeShivs

    Bill DeShivs Well-Known Member

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    Of the two choices, I would choose Keltec!
  4. Bubblehead

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    Bill, why Keltec. It wasn't even one of my choices. John
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    Kel-tec = Illegal in California.
    LCP = Illegal in California.


    Looks like it is the Kahr for you
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  7. rglbegl

    rglbegl New Member

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    Let me say this again


    Kel-tec is ILLEGAL in California

    We are being of no help to this person by suggesting something that is not possible.
  8. graehaven

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    Dude, relax, I was typing my response when yours came in. I didn't see it. No need to yell about it.

    I'm sorry for your loss in that leftist state. Can you enlighten us as to why those are illegal there?

    thanks.
  9. rglbegl

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    They have no external safety, nor do they pass the drop test.
    So Kel-Tec wont even attempt to make their guns legal here. (expensive process)
    Which sucks because I want that new 30 shot .22mag pistol.

    The LCP has similiar problems.
    But somehow the Kahr, with no external safety, is legal to own. (grandfathered in?)
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  10. graehaven

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    Found on another forum - they are not legal due to a number of reasons: weren't submitted for safety tests, etc....whatever.

    the legal list of allowed hand guns in CA are here:

    http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
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    Ahhhh. right. thanks.

    Thank God they have no external safety.
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    Yeah, I won't be able to touch that .22 with the 30 rd mag either, here in NY. Anything over 10 rds, not allowed. nice. :mad:
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  14. Bubblehead

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    The LCP is legal in California for Law Enforcement Officers. It is also legal for a "civilian" to purchase through the private party transfer process. I haven't checked into the Kel-Tec but I believe the same law applies. Here is the section of the California Firearms Law:

    The requirements for handguns to pass safety and functionality tests and to be listed in the Department of Justice’s official list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California do not apply to transactions involving the following:
    • Private party transfers of handguns occurring through a firearms dealer. (Penal Code § 12132(a).)

    So all I have to do is find an LEO who wants to sell their LCP or Kel-Tec and I'm in business.
  15. rglbegl

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    Read the law again.
    You can only buy a gun that is grandfathered in from a private individual.
    Even if someone buys one in another state, and moves to Cali, they are not allowed to sell it to you. (unless you are a LEO)
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  16. Bubblehead

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    rglbegl - I'm not going to argue with you but that is not my interpretation nor my firearms dealer's interpretation. He conducts these type of sales regularly. I do have a seller for the LCP so we'll just have to wait and see what happens when we process the paper work.

    I do agree that what you say does apply to "assault weapons" though.
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    Let me know how it goes.
    If it works, everyone I know (who lives in another state) will be selling 5 guns per year here in Cali.
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    I've been thinking about getting a compact .380, but am waiting for the S&W BodyGuard to hit the street. It's an ugly little thing, but kind of intriguing.

    Anybody heard any rumors about what price it's going to sell for?
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    If it's anything like the sigma, i'd avoid it.
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    I know that this gun is not on your original list but it is on one of the approved lists above. You should also consider the Bersa 380's. They are a well made gun for the money.
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