Scope Snob? Not me!

Discussion in '.22-Rimfire Forum' started by Kent Detective, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. Kent Detective

    Kent Detective New Member

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    Thought I'd enlighten you all on my way of thinking -

    I own a number of scopes - all budgets from £20 to over £250. All of these scopes are primarily designed to be used for airguns. I have in the past used specialised rimfire scopes but they always seemed to be delicate compared to robust airgun models.

    It's my honest opinion that some CHINESE made scopes are as good or even better than some scopes costing ten times the price.

    If you want outstanding value then just ignore the BIG names in the industry and look at less well known manufacturers. The big boys in the industry pay for their adverts from general customer revenue. It follows that they must recover these overheads from customers like you and I.

    Just have a look at the 2 big shotgun retailers in the UK - Browning and Berreta. Yes they make great guns but if you want a REAL bargain look elsewhere at companies like LINCOLN or FABARM (both lesser known Italian shotgun makers). These Italian guns represent outstanding value for money. For those looking for bargain basement prices look at a secondhand AYA (Spanish) or Baikal (Russian). Don't be a snob when it comes to shotguns, they ALL do almost the same thing.

    By far the best budget scope seller in the UK is - J.S Ramsbottom here - http://www.jsramsbottom.com/

    I currently use this little gem on my .22LR Rimfire CZ Model 2EH -
    http://www.jsramsbottom.com/product...ni-illuminated-px-adi-mil-dot-riflescope.html

    For the record I also rate LEAPERS scopes highly. They sell in the UK from £99 (from JSR above). They are very robust and well made Chinese made scopes.

    Yes guys you read it right - £30 or so for a superb little fixed 4 x 40mm. I have compared this little scope to others costing ten times it's price (an MTC Viper) and it wins hands down every time.

    So the lesson to learn is -

    Don't be led by the big names look at alternative retailers. Don't ignore Chinese manufactured scopes because if the truth is known most well known retailers sell re-badged Chinese made scopes under a different name (That's what MTC have done in the UK).

    Airgun scopes are in the main perfectly adequate for rimfire use. These scopes are made to take a few knocks. They are in the main also designed to handle an airgun spring recoil.

    Yes you may need an expensive scope for centrefire rifles but NOT for rimfire.

    There are some Great bargains to be had if you look wisely and carefully...

    As for all you scope snobs out there... Laugh at me to your hearts content, I don't care.
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  2. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

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    I have a scope on my rem5 that cost as much as the rifle itself:(
  3. Kent Detective

    Kent Detective New Member

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    A simple rimfire long rifle does NOT need an expensive centrefire type scope to be fitted. The rimfire doesn't produce much recoil and therefore an airgun scope is quite sufficent. ;)

    A centrefire scope is different because these things kick hard. :eek:
  4. raydcarter

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    You may not be aware, but there are some scopes made that are rated for magnum spring powered airguns. These scopes will hold up on anything. That is because in addition to taking a pretty hefty recoil (you're actually 'firing' the piston which is quite heavy compared to a bullet when you pull the trigger) - but they have to be designed to handle a two way recoil - as the piston reaches the end of it's stroke, it stops abruptly. I've seen scopes designed for magnum force centerfire rifles destroyed on an magnum springer airgun.
  5. Kent Detective

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    Yes I agree with your comment above. Clearly the BIG companies selling these EXPENSIVE "gucci" rimfire scopes are inflating their profits by spreading dis-information to customers worldwide.

    An "springer" airgun must produce the method of propelling the pellet from the barrel whereas firearms use the cartridge (gunpower) to propel the bullet. It follows that a scope designed for a magnum spring air rifle is probably as robust if not more robust than a scope designed for centrefire ammunition.

    The big LIE created and encouraged by all these big expensive scope manufacturers is that in order to shoot well you need a scope costing as much or more than the rifle itself.

    I know someone who regularly wins UK HFT (airgun) matches with a cheap £40 Nicko Sterling Monutmaster scope. He beats others using scopes worth many hundreds of UK pounds. It makes a nonsense of the whole principal of having to spend huge sums on scopes.

    A well made & expensive scope doesn't necessarily equate to great shooting skill.

    My message here is simple - If you want a true bargain look towards buying a well made but cheap Chinese made scope. There are lots around if you look carefully. My links above prove this...
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  6. firelegs22

    firelegs22 New Member

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    all i know is a top dallar scope can be had for low dollar prices.(craigslist anybody?)
  7. Tinmancr1

    Tinmancr1 New Member

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    yes I agree whole heartedly even in the US with a much larger sporting goods market and freer laws.
    airgun and rimfire are popular enough the prices on cheap stuff is even too high, like tasco not a great brand.
    Leapers/UTG are top shelf for bargain basement price I have two I use and others I sell in my business.
    I have a 6x fixed and a 3x9 love em both but the 3x9 is both flexible and illuminated so much better for me.
    I actually have used Powerline scopes on rimfires and been pretty happy but for the price just go Leapers.
  8. Boris

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    I bought a Savage 17HM2 at Gander Mtn for $150.00 on sale, went across the street to walmart and got a scope for $23.87. 4x32, That gun and combo shot just under 1" at 100 yards folks.

    I shot that barrel out on that little gun. Literaly..... One of the lands was completly gone for the first 2.5" of the barrel after a couple years when accuracy started to fall off. Was still good enough for a neighbor to not mind getting a good deal on it.

    I stacked woodchucks and raccoons, crows, chipmunks, blackbirds, squirrels, rabbits, yotes, feral animals, you name it, it stacked it..... Miss that gun. I will replace it someday with another HM2...
  9. Oneida Steve

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    I'm not a scope snob when .22 rifles are concerned. My .22 rifles wear Bushnell Banner scopes. They have decent-quality optics and work fine for the kids and me. I favor lower-magnification scopes for .22's (2.5x is great) and I find the B-Banners are all I need.
  10. G-Mann

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    I had a cheaper tasco scope 4x32 fixed on my Marlin 881 a few years back. It was accurate and held it's zero just fine. However, after shooting at the range, I got a lot of eye strain that ended up having giving me a moderate headache. That told me that the glass was not very good.

    I then got the Nikon Prostaff 6305. That ended that problem. I think one must keep in mind that cheap scopes have cheap glass that can cause eye strain!
  11. Kent Detective

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    I have a shoestring budget when it comes to shooting, that said I have found two scopes that work great for target shooting, one is Tru-Glo, I have a 6-24x 44 AO that has glass that comes from a lab in Japan and it is photographic quality glass!:eek: It is very clear and has good eye relief. I also have a Barska 8-32x50AO and although it is a little dark at max magnification it is acceptable, that and I got it at Optics planet for about a third of what retail was! I can live with that!:D Doug
  13. Kent Detective

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    What is it with all those rich "scope snobs" out there who think it makes them look good using expensive scopes on RIMFIRE rifles? They just keep pushing scopes on others which cost thousand dollars or more? I don't get it. :confused:

    FACT - For rimfire you do NOT need an expensive scope. For 95% of the time a cheap airgun scope will suffice.

    I own a Baikal 12 bore side-by-side shotgun. Last week I took it to my brother in law's skeet shoot. When I arrived and people saw the gun I was intending to use I could tell they found it very funny. I ended up wiping the grins off their faces by winning that days competition outright. ;) I beat guns costing 10 times the price of mine. :eek:

    I also own a Beretta O/U Silver Pigeon (£1,800) and my fathers old AYA S/S Yoeman. I love using the Baikal and AYA.

    For centrefire you do sometimes need top quality (expensive) optics but for rimfire forget it!

    Finally I'd like to add that I'm probably richer than most people I meet shooting and that if I wanted I could easily (waste) money like them. That is THE way to get rich in the first place.
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  14. raydcarter

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    It basically comes down to what you do with it. Yes, most people don't need very expensive scopes. As for "cheap airgun scopes" - try using one for airgun Field Target and you most likely won't win much.
  15. copey

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    down to personal choice really cheep vs expensive.why by a leather chair when a deck chair can be used lol.i use hawke scopes wouldnt buuy a top range scope . leopold lease there name out so you dont know what your buying..
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