Sears Ted Williams Model 21, 20gauge info please

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  1. tbeek

    tbeek New Member

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    I have a Sears Ted Williams Model 21, 20gauge shotgun.
    The serial number? is 583.2080
    There is a proof mark? that looks like an upside-down mushroom next to two letters for the date code: GJ (or possibly GU).
    When was it made?
    What else can you tell me about my gun?
  2. StoneChimney

    StoneChimney New Member

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    Made for Sears by High Standard, and the assembly date would be July 1966. These are serviceable pump shotguns and are good shooters. That is a model number, not a serial number by the way.

    Here is a link to a manual on that shotgun:
    Ted Williams Model 21 583.2080

    We have all the parts for that model except wood.
  3. box20022

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    Stone Chimney I know this is an old post but Im one of the rare Sears Ted Williams firearms collectors . I noticed your expertise with the Model 21 . I have 2 Ted Williams 200's SN#in the P295xxx & P296xxx, and one Ted Williams 300 SN#Q44xxx. Can you please tell me what year they were made .
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    I'm not StoneChimney but I hope you don't mind if I post some information:) StoneChimney hasn't posted for quite a while and it is a loss for the forum. He was knowledgeable and his replies were a valuable asset. Any how, your TW 300 is a Winchester 1400 and was made from 1964 and 1968, your TW 200 is a Winchester 1200 and was sold by Sears, from 1964 until 1988, it is still in production. I can find neither model on the different serial number charts that are available to me., perhaps because they are modern firearms and not considered collectible such as the old Winchester Lever Actions and pre 64 models. To meet Sears' price line both models used less expensive hard wood for the stocks and less finishing on both the external and internal metal. This is why they bring less that the parent models at sale time, they are still Winchesters except in finish and name. Hope that helps
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    I appreciate the help so the TW300 was only made from 1964-68 that pretty much narrows that . The TW200 from what I have been reading around was made from like you stated 1964 until 1978 with Ted Williams name on it. Others state they sold about 82,000 a year so by that if true my two TW200's were made in 1967-68. Which would match the story by the sellers which tie them to the mid sixties. But Stoney seemed to know how to date the TW's by barrel code which would be the first person I have run across with that level of expertise on TW's. Thanks for the help everyone !
  7. box20022

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    Oh RJ the Ted Williams model 100 is a clone of the Winchester 94 . Sears had a sportsline of Ted Williams products I assume from 1964-1978 with his name on many firearms to ammunition along with many other items.
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  8. RJay

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    Stone chimney wasn't going by the Sears stocking code, the only thing you can determine from that number is the maker and model, he was going by the High Standard code, which of course Winchester wouldn't use. Sears used that number for restocking and inventory, it has nothing to do with guns age or date of manufacture .Yes, the name Ted Williams was a Sears line after JC Higgins. At one time people actually knew who Ted Williams was.
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  9. box20022

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    Stoney stated that there was no way for him to date Model 200s and 300s. But from information from many sites like this and tracking auctions, and stories of original owners who remembered the year of purchase I can pretty much get close on the TW200's, The ones I have with 295xxx & 296xxx are manufactured in 1967. One other thing I have learned is that the first year 1964 model barrel was inscribed with just a print type Ted Williams instead of a signature and maybe 1965. I will just keep watching auctions and learn. I fact every item sold in the Sears Sports Department from 1964 until 1978 had the Ted Williams name on it from guns, ammo, to outboard motors to tackle boxes. Ted Williams was signed by Sears in 1962 to evaluate and test and improve all items procured by Sears at there huge testing warehouse.
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