Self defense

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by ineedsoap16, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. ineedsoap16

    ineedsoap16 New Member

    Mar 20, 2009
    Wilmington DE
    my dad lives in the same neighborhood as me and had his truck broken into the other day. We have two other breakins in the last month.. i have lived here for 6 years with no record like this. When I spoke with my father the other day he made a mention of "If someone does break in here they will be dead before the cops get here" no storry... Any thought on live daed with a story for the cops. I have hear of good people defendeing their homes against bg's and getting sued because their persuer lived and testified. I am not looking for a should I'll kill somebody thread, but any thoughts?
  2. obxned

    obxned Active Member

    Mar 4, 2007
    In most states, you can't shoot to prevent property crimes outside of your home. Even 'citizen arrerst' is iffy in many places. It may not be right or moral, but the law is the law. Violate the law and you will have peoblems!

  3. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    I don't know the laws of the state you live in, but here in TX we may shoot the burglar. If I am in the home, and he, or they, come into my home, I will shoot. If they are headed out across the yard with an arm load of my stuff, TX law says I can still protect my property, but I draw the line here! You see, I don't really want to shoot anyone, but I will. I personally believe that this BG's life is worth more than my big screen TV, and then there is the issue his immortal soul! I would rather win him to Christ, than send him to hell! However, that will in no way, prevent me from ending his life to protect mine, or my family!
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2009
  4. Tom Militano

    Tom Militano New Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Jacksonville, AL
    Anybody that tries to rob something from my house is going to get shot. Period. I don't care if he goes to heaven or hell, but he's going to one or the other.
  5. ineedsoap16

    ineedsoap16 New Member

    Mar 20, 2009
    Wilmington DE
    Good replies. I feel much the same way as you all.. If I am losing a car stereo it is not woth a life, but when my family or I am in danger anything goes.
  6. TxIronWolf

    TxIronWolf New Member

    Apr 25, 2009
    Gods Country Texas
    If the BG get away with your stuff becuse you didn't do something, and the next night they kill someone else how will that one be settled? As for me I work way to hard to let some punk walk off with my things. As far as what thier life is worth....They are the ones making that call when they went to take my stuff.
  7. oscarmayer

    oscarmayer New Member

    Jun 24, 2008
    except in the state of texas where you can shoot someone that has just broke into your neighbors home the laws very from state to state. and even if no charges are filed against you be ready to face civil action. countless bg's have sued and won now sure shoot to kill and no lawsuit right ? wrong.... momma or some shoe string relation will attempt to sue. anyone that has a gun and thinks that they may someday need it to defend their home i suggest getting the book "in the gravest extreme". it's a eye opener there are countless examples of people who's lives were ruined because they used deadly force to protect their property or their loved ones.
  8. Tom Militano

    Tom Militano New Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Jacksonville, AL
    We have the Castle Law in Alabama. So leave my stuff alone.
  9. army mp

    army mp Member

    Jan 30, 2009
    western Pa,
    Your best bet would be to go to NRA online they list all state laws by state. every state is different,
    Also I would be careful making bold statements in forms. A few years back a New Jersey cop made some statements in a chat room that came back to haunt him in a latter court date. At best a legal shoot. Will be costly as well as A night in jail. That said your life is worth more than a few bucks and a night in jail.
  10. Tom Militano

    Tom Militano New Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Jacksonville, AL
    We have a restraining order against a couple of people. Of course one of them is in jail at the moment. My wife got a five year restraining order, his ex wife got a 20 year, yeah a TWENTY year, and his mother had a five year order against him before she died. Neither one of the sorry sob's have even sent me a Christmas Card. My feelings are hurt.
  11. BillP

    BillP New Member

    Making up your mind ahead of time that you intend to kill anyone who breaks into your house is not something you as a reasonable person want to do. Making such a statement in public is not in your best interest either. Don't get me wrong I am willing to use deadly force to protect myself or my family but I would rather not have to and intend to keep my options open.

    Entirely too many variables are involved both morally and legally. Even "castle doctrine laws" vary from state to state. In some you are merely not required to retreat but may intervene to protect your property. The use of deadly force still is justified only by threat of death or serious bodily harm to you.

    How would you feel after gunning down an unidentified shadow when you turn on the lights and find it to be your 12 year old neighbor. Even worse, his last words are, "Mr. -- I didn't know you were home, I just wanted to borrow a video game disk". Your Son showed me where the key was, I thought you were gone".
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2009
  12. sakeneko

    sakeneko New Member

    Mar 28, 2009
    <popping up a month later> :)

    In Nevada, if a burglar is in someone's private home without permission, the presumption is that they intend violence and that the homeowner or other person present is justified to shoot to protect lives. It is possible to overcome that presumption, but only with clear and convincing evidence. For example, if the burglar was a seven-year-old kid who clearly had no weapon, the law would probably frown heavily on your shooting him. You also can't shoot someone who has their back turned and is fleeing unless they somehow still present a threat. (Such as are fleeing with a hostage.) A burglar of adult size and with no obvious handicap, however, is probably not going to overcome the presumption that they pose a credible threat to your life.

    Legalities aside, though, I think Carver's got the right idea. Even if it were legal to shoot somebody who was fleeing my home with valuable property of mine, I wouldn't do it. Human life is precious, even when some idiot is wasting their life as a criminal. There's always the possibility that they might turn things around. I would not choose to deny them that opportunity unless their actions were an imminent threat to my life or that of another innocent person.
  13. Big ugly

    Big ugly New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Its like what I had to go through when I was in Ga alast month gettin those morons that broke into my fathers porch. If I was to have pointed the shot gun at them then I couldve been arrested. Instead I chose the lesser of the two evils and shot the radiator out of their truck with the bean bag, worse case scenario I would have had to pay restitution for the damages to the truck. There is no clear law to any of these instances, for instace the castle law that some states have does little to protect you from getting a civil suit against you. I dont like the fact that you property is not safe any more. A thief gets away pretty light for a standard residential brak in. Most staes give a max of five years and even then those are rare. Most only get 18 months and their free to do it agin. Especially if you live in a state with out the three strikes laws.
  14. oscarmayer

    oscarmayer New Member

    Jun 24, 2008
    at the risk of pissin people off here's the deal. most people have not had to take a life and therefore do not know the responsibility that goes along with it. the struggle they will have for the rest of their life if forced into a life taking situation. to type here or anywhere else " i'll shoot someone if i catch them stealing my stuff" is the talk of a "keyboard commando" yes shoot if your life is in danger , but if they are crawling out the window with the dvd player and you shoot them shame on you . and the nightmares you'll experience for the rest of your life will be a heavy price to pay for that dvd player. being in the right doesnt always mean clear conscience. and remeber you have to deal with the law, ok if no charges are filed but wait for the civil action , and maybe you'll win the case against you, and you'll get to the the luckiest guy in the poor house after the legal it worth it for some stuff ???
  15. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio

    There is much wisdom in what you say. Life is too precious to take so lightly. I have a little saying I made up.."If you can't create life then you have no right to take it".

    But I gotta tell you I have a real conflict sometimes. I despise those who would steal or vandalize someone elses hard earned possessions. This total lack of respect for the property of others infuriates me. There are times when I feel like I would like to open up a 12 ga. on them.

    Now as for someone breaking into your home....I am divorced and live alone. Frankly I'm not sure how I would react to someone breaking into my home now, but I can say without hesitation that when I was married and had my children in my home I would not have hesitated to shoot should someone break in at night. my family means too much to me to,

    There are lots of hypotheticals that run through ones mind. I think most of us tend to think our response would be more violent than it really would be under certain circumstances. I have often thougt that If someone were to harm my wife (at the time) or my children, I would "blow them away". I'm talking about a violent attack or sexual assault here...not fistacuffs between adolescents. But in more lucid moments I realize that if actually faced with that situation I might just pray for the courage not to act and let the courts handle it.
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