Should the USA use racial profiling for safety?

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Should the US use racial profiling for safety?

  1. yes

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  2. no

    4 vote(s)
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  3. no way, we don't want to offend anyone

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  4. Heck yes, them muslim terrorist are fruitcakes

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  1. Rommelvon

    Rommelvon New Member

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    should the US use racial profiling for safety reasons in this age of terrorism?
  2. WarSteed

    WarSteed New Member

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    I'd hate to say it, but i would say yes. By no means do i advocate violating their rights, but if you have muslim extremists looking to suicide bomb you, then it only makes sense to look at the muslim population. Just be careful about violating their rights.

    i'd feel uncomfortable if they profiled me for being Korean (half) if Kim Jung-il went all crazy, but i'd understand.
  3. southernshooter

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    Not just yes, But Hell Yes
  4. Jay

    Jay New Member

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    When it comes to crime/.criminals, profiling should be unlimited. If 80% of given crimes in a given area are committed by little green people with purple feet, then little green people with purple feet need to be looked at VERY closely...... to the point of "who are you and what are you doing here?" :mad:

    just my 2 cents.......
  5. AL MOUNT

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    "But....but....but, we might hurt their feelings" .......:eek:

    Said the stupid Democrats....:rolleyes:
  6. armedandsafe

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    I was profiled many, many times, growing up in SoNevada.

    "What do you think you are doing out on the streets. Get home and get in your house, NOW!"

    (Underage, out after midnight, caught next to a house with fruit trees in the back yard. :D:D:D)

    Pops
  7. LurpyGeek

    LurpyGeek Active Member

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    I think we shouldn't focus on racial profiling, but profiling of ALL aspects of an individual's life.
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    YES!!

    And we otta start with Liberal Damnocrats!
  9. Pat Hurley

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    Scenario: A commercial aircraft is boarding just three passengers. One is an 85 year old, black American-born female with a walker, humming "Swannee River." The second passenger is a 21 year old turbin wearing Saudi Arbian male national, here on a student visa. He is carrying a copy of the Koran and mumbling "Allah Akbar" over and over again. The third passenger is a fifteen year old white male, American born high schooler with baggy pants, an Ipod, and the latest issue of Surfer magazine in hand.

    Which passenger deserves special scrutiny? Which one - using common sense guided by experience - presents the greatest probability of a security threat? What would the odd makers in Vegas say the odds were of passenger one (grandma) carrying an explosive device? What odds would they give that passenger two would? How about passenger three? Now, to all of the answers that you have given to the questions that I've just posed, you must ask yourself WHY? If you're logical, and honest, you'll agree that profiling is wise, will save lives, and reduces the chances for a calamity.

    We're so damn eager not to "offend", or hurt anyones feelings, or put two and two together and come up with four (young male + middle easterner = high probability of trouble) that we're blind to the danger at the end of our noses, and endangering the lives of innocent millions in the process.

    F'em all, I say. America is worth saving. Homocidal Islamofacists are not.
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  10. Marlin

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  11. Pops, was that before or after the orchard farmer loaded your backside with rock salt from his shotgun? :D

    Seriously, profiling has been used for years by police agencies, both local and federal, and should continue to be used. It is a tool that is far too valuable and accurate simply to be discarded out of some half-assed desire to be "politically correct." My only concern with the use of such techniques is they can, at times, be carried much too far, and thus used not as a legitimate tool to control crime and terrorism, but as a means of harrassment. So long as we guard carefully against that sort of misuse, profiling is well within the bounds of responsible police work.
  12. Xracer

    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

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    .....and then we rounded up thousands of people of Japanese ancestry, many of them American citizens, and shipped them off to concentration camps.

    And wasn't that a proud day in American history! :mad:
  13. rosierita

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    :p i voted for the fruitcakes....
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    358 winchester *TFF Admin Staff*

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    I went along with rosierita on this one
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    Racial profiling for Safety works for me
  16. stetson

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    Our goverment should use every tool it has at it's disposal to keep our country safe.I don't care if peoples feelings are hurt!
  17. Xracer

    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

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    Well then.....there's the small matter of Constitution of the United States which guarantees equal protection under the law....

    Amendment 14: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Or maybe the Constitution just doesn't count any more.

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".....Benjamin Franklin
  18. armedandsafe

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    I'm not going to answer that on grounds that it might embarass the h**l out of me. :D

    I will say that when they picked the shrapnel out of me after my last trip out of Hungary, they took the time to get the shotgun pellet out of the back of my neck. It had been irritated by my shirt collar for about 7 years (I was just barely 21 by then. :p ;) )

    Pops
  19. Bruce FLinch

    Bruce FLinch New Member

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    Let's profile! True the Govt screwed up the Japenese Internment thing, but that was in an age where info on a person was not easily obtainable.

    We should profile people of interest. The ones who are law-abiding will have to understand & accept it. Most of the people of interest are not US citizens, our security is more important than their right to privacy.
  20. Xracer

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    Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet!
    And those people would be Muslims, won't they? How does that square with the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    Current estimates are that there are 6 to 8 million Muslims currently in the U.S. (possibly higher due to the recent influx of Somali and S.E. Asian refugees)......should we declare 6 to 8 million people "persons of interest" and deprive them their rights under the 1st and 4th Amendments of the Constitution?

    For those of you with short memories (or lack of knowledge of history).....do the names of Judith Coplon, David Greenglass, Julius & Ethel Rosenberg, Joseph Bernstein, Sonia & Bela Gold, and Solomon Adler ring a bell? They should. They were all American Jews, and all were convicted of spying for the Soviet Union in the 1950's.

    Should we have then declared that American Jews were disloyal and were "persons of interest"?

    Gee.....maybe we could've made them wear gold "Stars of David" on their sleeves......wouldn't that've been fun? :mad:

    Sorry for the rant......but I've seen the world spin for quite some time and have seen how far these things can go. I take the whole Constitution (not just the 2nd Amendment) very seriously......and have seen the steady erosion of our Constitutional rights......and that doesn't make me a happy camper.

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".....Benjamin Franklin
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