Should they or shouldn't they

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jim summers, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. I read a post from a new member and it got me to thinking about it. Here is the question.

    If someone commits a felony that does not involve the use of a weapon and by weapon i mean handgun/longgun. The courts find that person guilty and from that point on they have a felony hanging around their neck. Should that person be banned from ever having owning a firearm the rest of their life.

    As for me i don't think so but what say ye learned men/women.
  2. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    I'm on board! Our system of justice leaves a lot to be desired, but still, it's better than most others. The 2nd amendment makes it clear that the ownership of firearms are for every man, and that right shall not be infringed. There are folks that should not own firearms, such as violent convicted criminals. Everyone else should have the right.

  3. NitroDave08

    NitroDave08 New Member

    Jan 27, 2010
    Cheyenne, WY
    I'm kinda torn on this topic. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility. I guess the logic is the ability to follow the laws. Here in wyoming, if someone is charged with a misdomener, they are not allowed a CCW for 5 years. New legislation is just introduced to make it 1 year to align with other states. As for felonies, forget it.

    I see the logic in the "big picture". In the misdomenor cases you get atleast a second chance. In the felony cases you get none. I think that there should be a timeframe where a "felon" can get his right back, but after a second conviction, lose it. It leads towards the use of trends. Kinda sucks, but I can see the logic. As for the "without a weapon" it goes to my thought on the logic of it's not a matter of how you did it, it's what you did. A felony is a felony. Flawed, yes, but it would take forever to handle each case on case-by-case.
  4. petesusn

    petesusn Member

    If a person is obviously drunk and attempts to purchase a firearm that person should and probably will be denied that transaction. Another person does not pass the background check. Is this denying him/her their 2nd amendment rights? A convicted felon when released/paroled and put on probation forfits his/her 4th amendment rights yet should retain their 2nd amendment rights? A felon made the rational decision to break the law to that extent clearly indicating that they have no regard for authority, the law, the constitution and individual rights. Are we expected to allow them to walk the streets legally armed?
    Just food for thought.
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2010
  5. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2007
    I disagree here. I think there is a huge difference between felony marijuana possession and felony kidnapping/rape/murder/etc.
  6. sniperassist

    sniperassist New Member

    Feb 9, 2010
    I think this is an area that needs common sense turned on. Violent criminals have given up their legal right to own a gun. However, non violent offenders that have no violence and are not repeat offenders should be considered. Just my opinion of course.
  7. sniperassist

    sniperassist New Member

    Feb 9, 2010
    My neighbor was convicted as a felon because he beat the crap out of his daughters boyfriend for trying to take advantage of her in the car in his driveway...needless to say he was convicted and lost his right. He is a vet and responsible gun its not all cut & dry.
  8. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    If someone commits a violent crime they have forfeited their right to own a gun. How about conspiracy? Someone conspires to spread antrax into a public school system but gets caught in an FBI sting, they spend 10 years in jail and get out. How about them? How about breaking and entering? Let them have a gun next time? Somebody beats another to death, spends 20 years in jail, let them have a gun when they get out?

    The way crimes are plea bargained down these days if someone get a felony conviction then they should lose their rights.
  9. petesusn

    petesusn Member

    All too often our judicial system has no idea what common sense is.
  10. ARB

    ARB New Member

    Jan 23, 2009
    Mid Missouri
    It would be darn hard to do a case by case ruling on this. So, if I had to decide on whether or not felons should regain their rights to own a firearm, the answer is no. They should be happy with their freedom and the fact that they didn't lose their hands or life, like they may have in other countries.
    I've known a guy that got locked up for felony stalking. He certainly doesn't need access to anything that goes boom. As for marajuana convictions, they just need to change the laws surrounding that in itself.
  11. sniperassist

    sniperassist New Member

    Feb 9, 2010
    You said violent crime...what about a legal gun owner arrested for defending himself only to find himself the guilty party for using excessive force. I am not saying give felons their rights back but there are some instances where they are no more a danger than you and may want to back off the coffee bro.
  12. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    I didn't read all of them, so this might have been said already, but:

    I don't care what they did. Robbery, murder, mayhem, kidnapping. Doesn't matter. They were convicted. They were sentenced. They served their time. They have "paid their debt to society". They get out of jail and they still have the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. Amendment rights. They should also have the 2nd.

    If they cannot be trusted with a gun, they cannot be trusted with a knife or a car or a baseball bat or a screwdriver or a ball-peen hammer. If you can't trust them with something they can hurt someone with, then you can't trust them with anything they can hurt someone one. If you can't trust them with a weapon, they should not be outside. Either lock 'em up forever, or hang their sorry butts.

    But if they've done their time, and you are going to let them back out on the street, they should have ALL of their rights back.
  13. Silencer

    Silencer Well-Known Member

    A few years ago, a news report was done on the huge increase of felony convictions in LA/San Bernardino counties. It was discovered 12-20 year-old hispanics were the cause. In the city Pomona CA, a city right below mine, 90% of hispanics aged 12-20 were already convicted of felonies. Over 60% of the population of Pomona were convicted with felonies. Ontario, the town next to Pomona, and the town below mine, had similar records. Again, a town filled with hispanics.

    Naturally the hispanic news reporter started a claim of racism, and was given quite a surprise. Both cities had several high-ranking hispanic officers come forward to reveal why so many hispanics had felony convictions. Simply put, "They're committing felony acts! We don't discriminate who gets a felony and who doesn't! That's absurd!"

    The backlash on the reporter was severe enough for her to lose her job. She was made an example of when idiots like her don't report the news, but act like another moron playing the race card.

    What was eye opening about her report, was the civil disabilities that come with a felony conviction. Here a few now...

    1. Can't vote.
    2. Can't own a firearm.
    3. Can't serve on a jury.
    4. Can't join military (recently lifted)
    5. Can't receive food stamps, welfare, MediCal or other assistance.
    6. Can't receive student loans.
    7. Can't receive business loans.
    8. Can't receive grants, loans, etc. of any type.
    9. Can't get a civil servant job or any other government job.
    10. Can't earn certain certificates or licenses (hazmat cards, chemical processing licenses, etc.)
    11. Loss of rights to searches. (Cops can pull you out of your car and search both your car and you without warrants.)
    12. Loss the right to fly or travel outside the US. (some instances but not all)

    You see why it's so easy to get some 'felonies?' The government wants it that way. Look all the stuff you're not entitled to anymore. You become controlled sheep.
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