Should you carry a round in the chamber?

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by 76Highboy, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. RYANINMICHIGAN

    RYANINMICHIGAN New Member

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    I won't lie cocked and locked took some time to get used to but my 1911 will not fire I know this and believe this now. I carried cocked and lock for few weeks without a ND. I am a believer after that
  2. aa1911

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    it's funny how people see a loaded 1911 with the hammer back and assume it's unsafe; what about a striker fire pistol, it's exactly the same, you just can't see it. how is it different just because it's out of sight?

    My dad asked one time when I had my 1911 on me why I had the hammer back. Well, it don't go boom unless it's ready to go! no double action. it's designed by the most intelligent firearms designer on this planet, it has more than a couple safety mechanisms in place.

    Even if the hammer somehow falls, the half cock notch will stop it unless you're on the trigger. beavertail grip safety, manual safety.. .and of course the number one safety, your brain and finger!
  3. Maine04657

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    The easy way to show anyone who thinks that a empty chamber is a good idea or a safety thing simple drill. Stand at the firing line about 20 feet from he target have a friend stand next to you facing the opposite way have a third person yell go the person not facing the target starts running the person firing draws racks a round and fires when the runner hears bang he stops and marks there location. Then do this again with a round in the chamber. Notice the difference in distance. This is the drill I used to use teaching the CCW class to show how far away a person can be and get to you before you can draw and fire really makes allot of folks train a bit harder.
  4. aa1911

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    what's the 'knife' distance that was proven in court years ago? 21' I believe, in the average time it takes the average person (cop actually) to draw their weapon?

    can't imagine needing to rack a round on top of that, and of course assuming that you have two working arms/hands. you get shot/stabbed in one arm, how'r you going to rack that round? sure, there's the one handed, rack the gun by using the rear sight, but it's not very reliable.

    people that think they'll have time to rack a round or retrieve a gun out of their glove box or any other un-handy place, have obviously never needed a gun to defend their lives or been in an oh-crap situation.
  5. jack404

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    a empty gun is a club

    why are we talking about this ??

    even here

    i unload for vehicles ( to go hunting or range) and reload when first able to

    my flinter , i shoot a deer i'm reloading on the run , not that i want a coup de gra on the deer, but, so i can if needed, use the thing ! cause empty its a club and i'd like it loaded by the time i'm ready to set it down and field dress the critter incase i've also set some roo's a bouncing (shot's echo in the hills) and they bounce on by
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  6. targetacqmgt

    targetacqmgt New Member

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    Yeah I am with Jack unloaded for transport. In the house loaded shotgun, 5 in the tube zero in the chamber. I don't sleep at nite so I am on watch. I nearly shot a shipmate once. I left an unloaded M-16 in the cox'n flat as I came off duty. He immediately jacked a round in the chamber when I was below decks. When I came up for some freah air we got in a pissn contest. I picked up the rifle and aimed it at his stomach just goofing off. Well I saw the look on his face and a still small voice told me to check the chamber (after all I left it unloaded and assumed it was still that way). Oh yeah there was a round in the chamber. I turned sheet white and weal kneed when I realized what I had almost done. NOW when I pick up a wapon I always check it and am very careful where the barrel is pointed. Ahhht the stupidity of youth. We still converse-he is a judge in Arkansas. I ask do you remember the time I almost killed you. His answer was which time??:eek: Must have been the grenades I pitched for swimmers. Before I let it fly, I cocked my aarm for max distance- well my gun mount was higer that his and when I got ready to pitch the grenade it was right in his face as I cocked my arm back and down:eek:
  7. JTofGPD

    JTofGPD New Member

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    Carrying a battle weapon unchambered is not that brilliant (tactical perspective, but if your gun cant be carried "ready to rock" due to age or design, then you might want to find a better battle pistol). When you need it you will be in a condition Dave Grossman call conditions red and your blood pressure spikes, motor control drops, and your auditory systems drop. Making slide work slower and harder. You drop to the level of your training, not rise to the occasion. Most people don't train under live fire or train malfunctions/ slidework. Carry it chambered or someone will have to peel you off the cement.
  8. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    YUP.
  9. 76Highboy

    76Highboy Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    +1.
  10. jaydub

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    Way back before the wheel was invented, I was part of a Marine detachment on board the USS America (CV-66). We guarded 4 nuclear weapon posts on the ship. Standard weapon was a 1911 that we HAD to carry unloaded. We had 5 rounds in the mag and none in the pipe. Didn't make sense then doesn't make sense now
  11. targetacqmgt

    targetacqmgt New Member

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    Had the same scenario when Nite guard on an ammo dump-one A**hole took the powder out of the rounds as a joke-he was BORED (we were in Alaska) and cold- hahaha:rolleyes:- we once had an IRA alert when they were moving some uh "gas" within the base- I was the Company NBCNCO then- made sure ready alert squad on standby had "real" gas filters in their masks instead of "tear" gas filters. Got my a** chewed by Brigade Chemical NCO. Company XO defended me said I did good:D
  12. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

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    Everything I have is always loaded. They are tools and they don't work without bullets in them.
  13. jaydub

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    Target, We did the same thing on board the carrier. I'll bet over half the rounds would have been squibs. It's amazing how bored you can get standing a 4 hour post.:D
  14. targetacqmgt

    targetacqmgt New Member

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    LOL:D
  15. tcox4freedom

    tcox4freedom Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    That girl is "Limatunes". Her & her husband run www.defensivecarry.com .

    They don't allow political or religious stuff over there. But, we have some real good scenario discussions. The site has a lot of LEO, EMT & firearms instructors. So the discussions are usually pretty informative.

    In this particular training she said she was truly startled by the instructor; even though she was "expecting" the attack.

    The woman that runs "The Cornered Cat" is also a member over there.

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