SHTF-Survival rifles

Discussion in '.22-Rimfire Forum' started by Palmetto, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. jack404

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    I like that a lot !!!!

    jealous jealous jealous ....

    ok so how good are those high as Heaven sights

    is it accurate?
  2. wyoredot

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    I picked up a Ruger Charger a while back and it is a kick to shoot. I feed it the CCI hypervelocity rounds cuz it has a short barrel. Seems accurate enough for the prairie dogs.
  3. Regular Joe

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    First. Correctly sizing and optimizing images for posting on a board like this is almost as difficult as personal hygiene. Image width never needs to exceed 800 pixels. JPG is the correct format. No file should be over about 150k. I have taught 5 year old children how to do this.
    Next- Calico has NEVER made a reliable magazine, and their customer service has always been worse than horrible.
    Next- There have been range tests posted recently of the Keltec and Hi-Point carbines in pistol calibers, here and on THR. Photos of accuracy tell me that my Glock 17 is the better survival gun. I still say that the .22 LR wins overall, because ammo is so much lighter.
    There is a need in this thread though to demonstrate a few CORRECT things. Let's do some 1 liter water bottles, shot @ 25 yards with the Glock 17 with a Canon 400D, using the 70~200 F/4L;
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    CORRECT exposure stops the water (1/2,000 sec.) CORRECT image sizing and optimization make it possible to see the image in the very same day as when you open the page!
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    CORRECT shot placement on a 1 liter water bottle, while operating the camera on a tripod tells me that yes, the Glock 17 can make a bad guy act like a water bottle at twice the distance.
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    Any questions? PM me!
  4. group17

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    Hard to believe but they work just fine. The gun is very accurate up to 75 yards. They are even making a quad rail for it if you need optics.
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    you can have any color, as long as it's black...they discontinued the camo and silver.

    i love my henry ar7; got the latest version with the orange inner stock and improved barrel. it's not at all picky about ammo; it was designed for high velocity rounds so that all i use-cci minimags (primarily), velocitors and stingers. never had any jam issues. if don't want to afford HV and/or insist on using cheap bulk; don't buy an ar7. buy a 10/22 and you'll be happier.

    i fish and camp backcountry lakes; i have no desire to carry a 5lbs+ rifle in my backpack.
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    I've got one sitting in my safe, with a scope on it. Like new (in fact it may be unfired - bought it years ago and don't recall ever shooting it).
  7. Old Grump

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    In 1964 I paid $28 for a single shot bolt action rifle at Coast to Coast Hardware store. I have 10 other 22's in the house but that cheap bomb proof simple to operate, easy to maintain, accurate iron sighted rifle is still accurate, still the rifle I use to teach new shooters with.

    It will shoot anything I can stick in it without having to worry about whether it will jam or not be powerful enough to work the action. It's light, easy to carry, any idiot can figure out how to use it and if I lose it I lose history but not any large investment. Best of all, the barrel is long enough that the report of the shot isn't an ear buster.

    I couldn't think of a better reason or a better gun to carry in a survival situation. A box of 22 ammo weighs little, is cheap and doesn't take much room in my pocket.
  8. Kent Detective

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    Us Brits have got to be very very careful when answering threads such as this one. :eek:

    We can have our FAC's revoked if the authorities (police) have reason to think we will use our firearms for any purpose other than that recorded on our licence! :mad: I can only use my rimfire for pest control and zeroing. If I wanted to use it for target shooting (or any other purpose) I would have to apply for a variation to the conditions on my FAC.

    I would merely say here that a .22 rimfire is probably not the best option for defence but is probably THE best option for killing small game for food in a survival situation. I'd have a .22LR rimfire and a 12 bore shotgun for this purpose:rolleyes:

    The best defence option by far is a shotgun for short-range work. More than that I'm not saying... lol :eek: I value my freedom to possess a firearm and would NEVER do anything to jepodise this. :confused:

    Over here it's much harder to obtain a small rimfire .22LR firearm than a 12 gauge shotgun which to me seems utterly stupid. :eek: You can also possess as many shotguns as you wish once you obtain your shotgun certificate. With firearms each rifle must be licensed. Seems a bit silly really.

    The only people with lots of dangerous unlicenced firearms are the CRIMINALS. The vast majority of law abiding citizens are subjected to the most ridiculous gun laws in the world. So much for freedom.... it stinks.

    A motor car is just as dangerous as a firearm in the wrong hands yet after passing your car test you can drive any car anywhere. You can kill and injure more people with a car than a firearm in a very short period.

    If anyone really wanted to harm someone else all they have to do is go to the kitchen drawer and take out a large carving knife. Puts the anti-gun lobby on the back foot immediately.... I don't know why this fact isn't used more often as it makes utter sense.
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  9. johnlives4christ

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    kent... you cant do like out ancestors did. come across the pond. you've got a friend in kentucky if you every come this way.
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    +1 in Montana too, a man after our own hearts is always welcome! Or woman, for the same reasons!
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    Kent, I feel for ya...if there ever is a Zombie Outbreak, Britain will fall rather quickly, unfortunately.

    Guns are also good for other types of incursions, but if you are prepared for Zombies, you're prepped for everything ;)
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    Marlin 70-P "Papoose" with a Ramline folding stock is one of the easiest rifles to stow anywhere.

    The only downside is the lack of hi-capacity mags...which I wish someone would rectify.
    Soon.
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    Don't forget Kel Tec's SU-22 rifle, and the pistol version of it. I think the pistol uses the same mags.
    I think S&W came out with a pistol version of it's AR22 recently too.
    Forget the zombie apocalypse stuff, this kind of survival thinking is more about putting food on the table when you don't have access to normal means, or the normal means are shut off to you. A .22 is easy to pack, you can carry lots of ammo without weighing you down, and it's not too big a caliber to destroy the meat on small game.
    I've owned a Marlin Papoose gun, but mine was no where near as accurate as a std. model 60. I'd look for a Ruger 10/22 with an aftermarket folding stock.
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    knowing how to trap and which types of plants are edible is good knowledge for anyone to know. however, a firearm puts meat on the table a whole lot easier and quicker then traps or snares.

    knowing how to acquire vittles without a gun is valuable, but a gun is a must. if i didnt have a gun, i would not spend my time trapping, i would spend my time trying to find a gun. even a flint lock rifle beats the heck out of trapping most of the time. fishing though is a common skill for a lot of people, and gear is plentiful and easily acquired.

    one well placed shot would bring down a deer and feed you several people for a couple weeks if the meat could be kept without spoilage. then you have time to set traps or snares or take a nap or make other items you'll need.
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    I have had a Savage M24 since 1978.. my 1st gun for my 12th b-day. Anyway, it is .22 lr top bbl and 20 ga bottom in 3" mag and will send slugs straight too, so this thing is very adaptable to many uses. I've plugged a badger and a coyote, oooolooodes of gophers and of course huns and pheasants which it was really gifted to me for. It breaks in half in 1 second, it is not light but it is compact and useful.
    Best-Mike
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    I don't think most of us have the funds or interest to buy guns specifically designed as "SHTF" survival weapons.

    What most of us do, I think, is buy weapons (for me 22cal rifles) we like that we can shoot and enjoy, but OFFER the potential for SHTF duty, should it ever come to that.

    With a good 22cal rifle you have a pleasurable plinker.. A firearm capable of putting meat (tree rats, ect.) on the table if necessary, and a firearm that ammunition is cheap enough that the owner can actually shoot his/her gun choice enough to become proficient..

    If that choice can "break down" for easy carry, or concealment, all the better.

    Personally I have found, for ME, the Browning ATD (automatic/take down) SA22, and any of the Marlin 39's are excellent choices.

    Both designs offer very good, to very good accuracy, are reliable, and break down very easily into two major parts.

    Not saying there aren't better choices for some, but the best choices for me.

    No offense to those who might disagree.:D

    Jesse
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    I still have one, bought it about thirty years ago, Took it to the local shooting range late last Fall and it still performs well; one fellow seeing it in it's case prior to my pulling it out of the stock and assembling it jokingly asked, "Did you bring all of it?"

    Purchased it I guess when Armalite was making them. Used to tuck it behind my seat and took it with me everytime I flew upstate, over what's known as the "Finger Lakes" region, a rural, heavily forested area. Never had to use it but then it was nice to know it was there. You really never know when or if the engine would quit but if it did, it'd be a long trek back.

    Most use I've had with it was at various target ranges over the years. Don't agree with you about them being "junk" but then, everyone to their own.

    tyc
  19. DJnRF

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    You are on the right track with the choice of the .22 for a survival
    rifle. Many 'bulls' out there will always try to steer you toward some
    heavy caliber, or even some type of combat style rifle. Their idea
    of survival is more of a combat, or big game style rifle. These are
    NOT survival rifles per-se.

    Of the rifles you have listed here the best of the time now is made
    by Henry Repeating Rifles. It is still in the basic design of the AR-7
    designed and made for the Government many years ago. It was
    one of the two weapons carried by U-2 pilots, and other pilots flying
    for the CIA and the Air Force. The two survival weapons were the
    AR-7, and the Ruger Mk II (bull brrl). Both were the .22 caliber.
    Armalite designed the AR-7 for the Air Force. The next manufacturer
    to continue it after Armalite shut down was Charter Arms. Now,
    Henry has the rights, and it is still basically the same as the original.
    The changes that have been made are all just good improvements
    needed for the rifle. No other manufacturer does a better job for
    a true 'survival rifle'.
    (Also, always remember that the 'AR' designation actually stands
    for Armalite ...... NOT 'automatic rifle', or 'assault rifle'. The current
    misuse came about only because Gene Stoner went with Colt from
    Armalite, and had Colt buy the rights to the AR-15. No other rifle
    that uses the 'AR' in their name or model is proper other than the
    ARmalite-15, and the original, and current manufacturer of Armalite
    rifles. The AR-7 today is the 'Henry model ARmalite-7' as the rights
    to it were also obtained to build.)
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    Can't say it's a survival rifle in the true sense of the word since if SHTF we'll be staying put, but we do have a Charter AR-7. Over the years we've fired just about everything through it - standard and high velocity, solids and HPs, and it just keeps on ticking. Many, many years ago I'd tried an aftermarket 15 round magazine in an original Armalite AR-7, and that didn't work out too well. With the little Charter bathtub toy we've kept to the standard 7 round mags and no problems at all.
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