Silencers

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    Fresh20
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    (4/16/02 11:00:22 pm)
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    I'm lucky enough to live in New Zealand, great place for hunting. The Firearms laws here aren't too restrictive - Licences for all firearms owners & restrictions on Military Style Semis.
    The law here is cool with silencers - no restrictions on them. I'd like to find some websites that can give a little more detail on design principles and construction. I'm looking at a full-barrel supressor on a bolt-action .22

    Cheers

    LIKTOSHOOT
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    Welcome, can`t lead you to a site and a search might be the way. Full barrel suppressors are tough, hope you are an excellent machinist....this is reverse enginering at it`s best, provided your law allows building personal suppressors. LTS
    T.F.F.

    Tac401
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    (4/17/02 10:00:54 am)
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    Fresh20,

    These folks can lead you in the right direction,
    link below-

    www.subguns.com/

    Welcome Aboard Fresh20!
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    ruffitt
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    You can also go to butokukai.com/page2.html
    RuffItt




    Gunther WZ
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    The best book on silencers is SILENCERS HISTORY AND PERFORMANCE from Alan C. Paulson, it's expensive but it's the best, I got three other books and they are all crap.
    Check this website, you will find some pics to save dozens of dollars:
    silencers.cjb.net
    A good place to download a pdf file for making a STEN GUN:
    www.angelfire.com/rebellion/weapons

    Regards from Brazil, a country where almost averything is not allowed!!! (even a 32ACP AP-74 here is classified "war material")

    Tac401
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    Thanks and Welcome Aboard Gunther WZ!
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    ldsteff
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    (5/1/02 10:00:21 am)
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    Check this site out,I have fired a couple of their product and they are fantastic,as far as making them,its a big big no no,ATF nailed a guy in Columbus Ohio for owning silencer components(in this case washers. Paladin books had a good book on making them for AR7 rifles but I think the book has been banned by the Klinton administration--The paperwork for an American to buy a silencer is a little less then a class III but it is still scary

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    ldsteff
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    site for silencers
    www.advanced-armament.com/

    Gunther WZ
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    I got a lot of drawings from suppressors but most of them are of the conical baffle type or vaimeco. I would like to see more recent designs from complex thick baffles suppressors. Maybe an hiperlink?
    A small question: Is it possible to register a home made silencer? A good coaxial suppressor costs less than a hundred dollars to machine, so, why to pay six hundred or more?

    Tac401
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    In the US you would need a class 2 mnufacturers
    license to make one.

    There's a compant called Gem-Tec that produces
    some of the finast supressors on the market today.
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    Gunther WZ
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    Yes, I have a GEMTECH drawing but the drawing is just a simple conical baffle design (it's not a real GEMTECH). They never answered any of my emails. Another company asked for one of my designs but they refused to send a drawing, they have a patent but they never show their designs. I believe those pics we find all over the web are fake, like the "donuts" from Don Walsh, just a fake protoype made for photographic purposes only to send other companies in the wrong direction.
    I have three interesting designs of CTB, one was tested and worked better than any of my conical baffle designs, the other two are just on paper since 99. I saw dozens of sites dedicated to suppressors, but only poor or useless drawings.

    Tac401
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    i'll see what info I can find for you!
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    ldsteff
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    I know of a person with a complete set of plans and complete 1:1 drawings for manufacture and assembly of a supressor for the AR-7 22cal rifle and the 22 cal explorer.A machinist can turn em out for around $25.00 but damned if I would want to go to jail just for having one of them,I don't think I can go to jail for sending someone a copy of the book,I will try to find out.if its legal to send plans to someone I will.If you guys know the law let me know.I do know palidin books stoped selling the book

    LIKTOSHOOT
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    Actually, the suppressor is only one item in the picture. They come in different styles (types) A pattern suppressor can be used for full power loads (super-sonic) "Sniping rifles" these emit a panoramic sound when fired, and downrange folks cannot detect direction of shots fired.....as they seem to come from every direction when a single shot is fired. The best suppressor set up includes a custom barrel and a "two" contact suppressor, one cotact being the front end of the barrel (muzzle) and one contact at the rear (action end/receiver) thread timing is critical here and you must be a skilled machinist. These incorparate from 16 to 32 holes drilled in the barrel in a spiral, following the twist rate of the barrel. As the bullet passes these stagered row of holes, a little gas is blead off and contained in reverse baffels, for lower pressures. Once the bullet passes down this predeterminded length it reaches the end stage, which is a reverse cone....shaped to capture the remaining gases. They are forced directly to the front end of the suppressor and blown back towards the muzzle thru these reverse baffles, these are the best designed suppressors. "Barrel and suppressor" as a unit. These are also smaller than a scew on AND lighter on the muzzle end. LTS
    T.F.F.

    Gunther WZ
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    (5/14/02 1:50:20 pm)
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    Integral suppressors are fine but drilling the barrel makes impossible to most shooters to make a home made suppressor (too much work to align and debur holes). A muzzle can may be longer and louder but it's the cheapest way to get it done. I worked in a develpment team five years ago and the VAIME slanted flat washer system can be made with almost no special tools; and it works. Of course, the team doesn't exist anymore, but I learned two or three original tricks.

    spriteman65
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    I USED TO BE INTERESTED IN SUPRESSERS AND SIMI AUTO .22 RIFLES. I HAD THE EXPERIANCE USING THEM AND I HAVE FOUND THAT THEY ARE NOT WHAT I IMMAGINED THEM TO BE.

    AN AR-7 "SUPRESSED" WILL PROBABLY GIVE AWAY YOUR POSITION MORE THAN UNSURPRESSED. THEY MAKE A GOD AWFUL MECHANICAL RACKET WHEN THEY FUNCTION.

    I COULD SEE THE USE ON A GOOD SMOOTH BOLT ACTION PIECE, MAYBE A CLEAN LEVER ACTION.

    PERHAPS IF YOU COULD FIND A .22 SEMI AUTO WITH A PRECISION ACTION AND NO CLUNKING YOU WOULD HAVE SOMTHING. OTHERWISE FORGET IT. IT IS A CLASS THREE ITEM AND THE RIGHT KIND OF AMMO MAKES IT OUTDATED.

    Tac401
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    Integral supressed Ruger 10/22's function fine with
    sub-sonic/standard velocity ammo.
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