Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by buckknf, Nov 25, 2009.

  1. buckknf

    buckknf New Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Im looking for information on a Simson 12 gauge side by side shotgun. On the bottom of the receiver is an engravement of a standing duck with reeds and the word Simson, on the side are the words Simsonwerke- Suhl. On the underside of the barrel is, 13/1 with a 12 in a circle, 70mm, Nitro 534. There is also a U with a crown above it, Suhl in a circle, W with a crown. The serial # is 36902. On the top of the barrel are the words FLUSS-STAHL KRUPP ESSEN. The gun is in goog condition it shoots well and the stock has no cracks or damage. It has a rubber but pad on the stock which says Pachmayr Gun Works Los Angeles, Calif. The but plate could be aftermarket unknown though. The graving is in good condition but it appears as if someone attempted to turn the screws on the side and marked them up a little. The blue on the gun is mostly gone and the end of the barrel is a little pitted. It has what appears to be the original bead on the tip of the barrel. Could any one give me information on this gun, year, marks, and a ball park value?
  2. williamd

    williamd New Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Search forum (this one and the other) for Simson. Quite a discussion with pics a few weeks ago.

  3. Welcome to TFF buckknf,

    I received your private message and I hope that I can help with your questions.

    First, please know that the piece I wrote on the history of Simson & Co is no longer available except through my publisher (below). The rights to that work have been transferred and I am no longer able to send it directly to interested parties. I trust you understand. I can, however, try to answer any questions you might have regarding the history of Simson & Co and the guns they manufactured.

    Based upon the information you provided in your post, I am happy to offer the following:

    12 inside circle = 12 gauge
    70mm = chambered for 2-3/4 inch shot shells
    Nitro = proved with smokeless gunpowder
    534 = date of manufacture is May, 1934
    Crown over U = proof approved
    Suhl in circle = proved in Suhl Germany
    Crown over W = choked barrel(s)
    FLUSS-STAHL = fluid steel, which indicates the barrels are not Damascus
    KRUPP ESSEN = famous steel manufacturer located in Essen, Germany. Krupp manufactured barrel blanks for Simson.

    You are correct that the Pachmayr recoil pad was added after the gun left the factory.

    While photos would be helpful, I estimate value at $600-700.

    If I can be of further help, please let me know.
  4. buckknf

    buckknf New Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Thanks for all the help. Do you know what the 13/1 means.