Smith & Wesson revolver

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  1. REPEATER

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    Smith & Wesson revolver .45 6 shot with a 6 1/2'' barrel. reissue july 25. 1871 is the last patent on the barrel. It's # 26746... I'm just trying to find the particulars on it. I'll get a pic in a few for the value. And what are the chances of inding a few for parts for it?
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    If it's got an 1871 patent on it, and it's 45, then it's most likely a Schofield.
    Smith and Wesson may have parts. They did a re-release of it, a few years ago. I'm sure that some of the internals were different, but some of the parts may interchange.

    Also, Uberti, of Italy, makes copies of it. Maybe some of their parts will work.
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    First off, I doubt it is a .45, probably a .44. One of the top break Model 3 types. Either a Russian 2nd or 3rd Model or one of the many New Model #3s.
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    it says S&W . calipers said like .458 at the cylinder. let me get a pic of the stamp. the reissue patent on it, although last, wasn't the newest. It reads,

    SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS. U.S.A. PAT'D JAN 17 & 24 65. JULY 11 65.
    AUG 24 69. APR. 20 75. FEB 20 & DEC 18 1877 REISSUE JULY 25 1871
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    Remeasured all 6 holes, from .4555 - .4565... 100% confident on them

    oh and .45 auto ammo from the 1911 is to big. so guessing a .44 and a top break
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    Should have "some" parts for it and if you cannot find them contact Jack First being they make new replacement parts HOWEVER not cheap by no means.
    http://jackfirstgun.com/

    The main thing is nail down EXACTLY what model so pictures posted here would be a gREAT help in that.
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    Measuring the barrel works better than measuring the cylinder, unless you are measuring the cylinder mouth.
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    The barrel markings you listed are those found on a New Model #3.
    I was incorrect in saying it couldn't be a .45 as the NM #3 was kind of like the Colt SAA and came in a great number of chamberings including .45 Schofield, 450 Revolver, 45 Webley and .455 Mks I & II.
    The problem with identifying the last 4 Brit rounds is that they are all pretty much interchangeable as far as fitting the chamber.
    Your best bet is a factory letter, or slugging the bore and taking a chamber cast to get measurements.
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    If as he says .45 Auto won't fit, it's none of the .45s you list, and most likely .44 Russian.
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    .44 Russian is probably the best bet. Although it could also be a .44 Henry RF or a .44 American. The NM #3 was chambered in these plus a bunch of smaller calibers.
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    few more pics

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    the mouth???

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    Close enough for .44 Russian (.457 case diameter; .44 American is only .440)

    You can cut down .44 Special or .44 Mag cases to make Russian.
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    hense the .44 lol?? I know the .38 special only measured .008 larger and the .38 round fit. I just assumed when I seen the same roughly 8 thou over .45 that the .45 auto round would have fit. they mus be a larger casing unlike the .38.

    so the .44 russian is actually .457? and the american .45 is more like .467
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    .457 is the cartridge case diameter, and caliber is the bore diameter.

    Diameter of the .45 Auto, .455, .476 etc. cases = .476 to .480.
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    44 Russian brass is available from Starline. Good brass - I use it in four different guns. If you plan to shoot it, load black powder. It would be a shame to damage that gun. It looks in awful good shape.
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    Repeater, once upon a time, cartridges were loaded with "heel bullets". They had a "stepped-down" section, inside the case, and the bullet outside the case was the same diameter as the case. These bullets also had the bullet lube on the outside, exposed bullet. 22 Long Rifle is made like that today.

    Modern cartridges have what is known as an "inside lubed" bullet. The entire bullet is smaller than the cartridge case, and the part of the bullet inside the case has grooves in it, to hold the bullet lube. The part of the bullet that is exposed is not lubed.

    Outside lubed bullets - heeled bullets - get sticky and oily in your pocket. They pick up dirt and trash which gets transferred to the barrel when you shoot them. Inside lubed bullets are much cleaner.

    The 44 Smith and Wesson (which came to be called the 44 American) used a heel bullet. Both the OD of the cartridge case and the OD of the bullet were the same - .44.

    The Russian government liked the gun, but not the outside lubed bullet. They came up with the inside-lubed bullet. So the same .44 OD cartridge case now has a .43 OD bullet loaded in it.

    Same way the original 38 Short Colt used a .38 outside lubed bullet, but both the later 38 Long Colt and 38 Special used a .36 inside lubed bullet.

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    Alpo, the .44 American and .44 Russian case do not have the same OD:

    .44 American: .440

    .44 Russian: .457

    You can't insert a .44 Russian into a .44 American chamber.
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    I stand corrected.
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