snake loads for home defense?

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  1. ozoner

    ozoner New Member

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    I have no experience with snake shot loads, but have been told that the 45 and 357 loads would discourage any self respecting future dead guy, trying to invade my home. Any thoughts, concerns or advice would be greatly appreciated. They would be loaded into my 1911 and Taurus 357 snub revolver.
    Thanks Folks
  2. woolleyworm

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    My .02, I would never put my life on the line to shotshell pistol loads. There's ammo designed for Personal Defense and there's ammo that is not; pistol shotshell falls into the "is not" category IMO. I don't want to discourage anyone if I need to pull the trigger, my intent is to make them the dead guy now, not in the future.
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  3. carver

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    Try this. I tried to shoot a squirrel at 15 feet with a snake load in a .44 Mag. The squirrel just ran off. Once I shot a mouse that was in the house with a load of CCI snake shot from a .22, 8 feet. Killed the mouse, but not one of the pellets penetrated the wall paper! Also snake shoot will not cycle in a semi-auto hand gun, not enough power. You must cycle the slide manually. Personally I would never use snake shot as a SD round. If you got lucky and hit the BG in the eyes, with his eye lids open, you might blind him, but I wouldn't bet on it. Shoot to stop the BG always.
  4. Thomas_1

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    carver, I did the exact same thing. I tried to shoot a squirrel with the .357 shotshells. He just took off running. I then shot it into some old plaster board, it didn't even go thru it. My pellet gun does more damage then these shotshells.
    ozoner, I think if you shot a bad guy with these they would just shake it off and shoot you with their real bullets!
  5. reloader4

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    This is all good advice ozoner. They are extremily close range pest rounds. If the bad guy is more than 10 feet away and you shoot for anything but his eyes, you probably going to get shot or get a good ass whopping. If you think you have reason to shoot someone, shoot to STOP dead.
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    There is a difference between using a .410 shotshell in a handgun and using the handgun-caliber shot shells. Those handgun-caliber shotshells are good for a select few purposes (snakes, mice, etc.), but I wouldn't use them for self-defense.

    I'd rather count on a good knife than those wimpy .357 shotshell loads.
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    If you do not have the willingness to kill to protect yourself and your family, and lots of folks don't, don't touch a gun. Just plain folks don't get grey areas, legally; if you have good cause to shoot and kill, then get your gun out and shoot. Otherwise, don't touch the gun. Get other forms of defense - stronger doors and locks, a big dog, whatever. Intentional maiming, wounding, and coercion/intimidation are not within the purview of the self defense rule. And that's the best you're going to do with shotshells. The worst is you're going to get yourself and your family killed.
  8. redhart

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    i agree with user
  9. ggtgary

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    Yep, User nailed it!
  10. obxned

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    Some snakes need Gold Dots or HSTs.
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    There is a reason they call them snake loads.........If you're going to shoot somebody shoot to kill. If you're not willing to kill them don't shoot.........
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    1st off i agree that they will not cycle a simi auto.having said that i keep the first round in my 38 snub as snake shot.reasons are as follows.although my guns are hidden if one of my grandkids gets hold of it that gives me a chance to releive them of it without major damage.i also know that sometimes under pressure or duress the gun may be used my others either friend or foe and this also gives me a chance.finally i keep the next four rounds in +p+ golden sabre profile.if i need to rotate cylinder its easily done.i have been in combat b-4 and regretfully taken lives.i do not want to repeat that ever if it can be helped.dont misunderstand i will defend me and mine to the death but once you take a life you cant give it back. old semperfi
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    old semperfi, your safety concerns are legitimate, but have you considered increasing that safety factor by leaving that first cylinder empty? That first round of +p+ golden sabre will be just two trigger pulls away. I would rather see a hammer fall on an empty chamber in the scenarios you described.

    Just a thought.
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    I think user put it quite plan and simple.
    If your going to own a gun for self defence, home defence and protecting your family, get a gun and get to know that gun like the back of your hand.
    When it comes to protecting your family from home invasion, there is no second chance. You have that one time and that one time only to make a decision (life long lasting decision). If your not willing/able to have to make that decision (split second decision) (God forbid that time should come), then do not have a gun that you arnt 110% and then some sure about.
    If a person is going to have a gun in their home for protection, one should run through their mine every possible situation that could possibly happen with a home invasion.
    There are other measures to take rather then a gun. As user stated.
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  15. wpage

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    Sounds unreliable. Test and see.
    Your own results may vary...
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    I have found snake loads useless for even killing snakes. Don't use them for self defense. I own a Taurus Judge that I load .410 buck shot and I have full confidence that close range will put a person down.
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    Another thing to think about, you shoot the intruder with snake loads, He takes you to court, even though they are a far cry from deadly, it is still deadly force...
  18. Farmerjon

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    Even though when things go "bump" in the night, or the outside dogs start barking like something really is wrong, I grab a pump 12 gauge. I generally have a handgun even in my underwear close at hand. I am not paranoid, just prepared. Even though I have a gun in hand doesn't mean I am going to use it, just means I am prepared to use it and willing to use it. It is loaded, 00 buck, deer slug, 00 buck, deer slug, you get the picture. My Taurus, it isn't a Judge, was called a 44410 back then and sold to shoot three calibers. It is loaded 000buck, deerslug, 45 LC thru the rest. If I ever have to shoot, it will be my last recourse, but it will be deadly force or as deadly as I can possibly make it. It ain't a game with plenty of rules, it is black and white, it is life, ONE RULE, win.
    Had a young punk deputy one morning about 2:30 in the am come BEAT on my back door. I jumped up out of bed, grabbed the Taurus, had the light and gun on him before he knew I was there. He was caught flat footed, deer in the headlights look, he couldn't speak. Here was a fat old man holding him at gun point pissed off because he woke me up in such a fashion. He manages to croak out, "you got cows out". No I didn't, they were the neighbors. He found out where in the food chain he was then. He was used to being top, so used to it, he was probably strutting, well he wasn't going back to his car after we went out and checked cows. I used to be on the Posse at that department, man if I had ever had a guy come out like that, first of all I would have knocked, not try to beat the door in, I would have been like, hey man, cool gun, good reaction, can I see it???
    Be prepared, have it in your mind when you train. You will resort to your training, if you can't justify it when training, you will lose your gun to the bad guy, you may lose your life and your family's life. Be prepared, not scared. You have asked a good question, have gotten great sets of responses, hope you are digesting them and they have gotten through to you that even though crooks, robbers, rapists and murderers are slimier than snakes, have THE best load for your gun and hopefully you never have to use it.
  19. focusmaniaczx3

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    since we are kind of on the topic of shot loads for a pistol for home/personal defense. ive been in the habit of loading my judge with 1 bird shot followed by buck shot .45LC buck shot .45LC. my reasoning for having that first one as bird shot is because on the draw im not the best shot in the world. what if i woke up to someone walking into my room and barely had time to grab the gun from the dresser and point it? if its a .45 ill probably miss. i want as much spread as possible to hit the bad guy with something. that little bit of something, whether its lethal or not, might give me time to get directly on target and put him out of his miserable existence. does this make sense?
  20. Terry_P

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    If you draw a weapon then you are in fear for your life. Shooting them with a snake shot loads may be construed that you were not in fear for your life which could get very complicated.
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