Stupid Noobs!

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by Del Slo, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. Del Slo

    Del Slo New Member

    Jun 19, 2012
    I have been reloading for several months now. Its very stress relieving... My question is this. I have a 30/06 that Reload with about 50gr of H380 with a 150gr bullet. My girlfriend say it kicks too hard.

    What would be a good grain load for her to shoot at paper targets at short distances? 50-100 yds max... I'm thinking about 25-35 grains... I don't see it being dangerous with a light load but any advice would be great.

    Has anyone done this before?
    Does anyone see any issues this may cause?
  2. 243winxb

    243winxb Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Hodgdon Youth Loads

    Hodgdon Youth Loads will work with H4895. I would not load H380 below the posted starting load data. Also look at Trail Boss. Both listed under "Data"
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2012

  3. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    Hodgdon's website says 53.0 is minimum with that powder and bullet weight. I surely would not drop down to 25 to 35. That just seems too much of a drop outside data.

    If my girlfriend complained about the kick of my ought six, first thing I'd do is get her a PAST recoil pad.

    I have one. Tames the recoil of a 375 H&H.

    Then I would look into reloading cast bullets for the ought six. You can get 150 grain lead bullets and data pushing them in the 1400 fps (or thereabouts) range, which should be MUCH easier on the shoulder.

    You would need a different powder, though.
  4. Crawdaddy

    Crawdaddy New Member

    Aug 22, 2011
    243 hit the nail on the head. My kids shot my 30-06 using the h4895 youth loads with no problems whatsoever. As a bonus, I found myself using the powder for other applications, its a very consistent burning powder, which is why you can load down with it so easily.
  5. soundguy

    soundguy Well-Known Member

    May 8, 2012
    i've heard loading too low can be just as bad as too high.

    ditto on the recoil pad. I'm teaching my best buds 15yr old daughter to shoot. we shoot 30-06 .. she is using a savage 110 and me a rem 700. shooting 100yd paper targets.. using 150 and 180gr projectiles.. I'm currently shooting 180gr flat base spire point with 47.5gr of imr 4064.. I got the girl a good shoulder pad that slips on and buckles around the chest. it's similar to a pad I have. heavy flat foam.. leather face.. and then strapping to adjust fit. works like a charm. I'm a smaller frame 130# 5'4 guy and she's a lill taller than me and maybee a pound or two heavier .. and she handles either 30-06 fine all day at the range with that pad in place.
  6. steve4102

    steve4102 Former Guest

    Jan 27, 2006
    As stated above, do not go below minimum. It is a minimum and it is there for a reason. If you want light loads use a powder designed to work with below Min. charges. I would start with H-4895. H not IMR.
    Here is a link to Hodgdon's youth loads using H-4895. Reduced Rifle Loads.pdf
  7. Bindernut

    Bindernut Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2007
    ND, USA
    Yup, as already posted, don't go below published minimums. It can be just as dangerous as exceeding the max charge due to a phenomenon called detonation.
    Lots of airspace in the case along with a too-light charge will cause high pressure level too.
    I don't know the exact physics of powder detonation (and I"m not about to experiment with it either :)), but I tend to think of it like an almost empty gas tank in a car that's on fire. It's more apt to explode violently than a burning car with a full tank of gas.

    H4895 is a good powder for lighter loads in the '06.

    If this is just for range sessions, I'd maybe try some light loads with 100/110gr bullets or even 125/130gr. Sure, the point of impact will be different than your current 150gr load but if it helps your GF beat the recoil, she'll be less likely to pick up a nasty flinch or just plain give up after thinking "this is no fun".
    A flinch can be pretty hard to shake once you've got it.
  8. Del Slo

    Del Slo New Member

    Jun 19, 2012
    I didn't think about less powder in the cart is equal to less fuel in the tank.

    I'm a car nut so maybe I could explain...

    More fuel and less oxygen equals cooler explosion temps but longer burn time
    equal parts fuel and oxygen equals "good" temps with "good" burn time
    less fuel and more oxygen equals HOT explosion temps with quick burn time

    More fuel is bad because the casing cant hold the pressure without cracking
    less fuel is just as bad for the same reason. The expolsion is violent and hotter than normal. (Think running lean on gas in your car) Higher temps equal higher pressure. Higher pressure equals the cracking of your casing and possibly your face, fingers, neighbor, or worse your girlfriend getting hurt...
  9. ozo

    ozo Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2011
    Nashville TN
    Just buy her a gun she likes......:cool:
  10. cpttango30

    cpttango30 Guest


    Using a load that is too light can cause crazy things to happen. Too much air space in a cartridge will give too much o2 to the fire with it starts and cause the pressure to spike very fast and erratically. This could fire find for 1 to 100 rounds or it could go BOOM and blow your gals face into your lap. Try 110gr Varmint bullets from Hornady, Speer, Sierra ect.... OR look for some light 125gr loads or the youth loads like others have talked about.

    If you want to use different powders and what not There are computer programs for this. I have also head of guys using pistol powder and filling the rest of the case with cream of wheat or grits to keep the powder all at the back near the fire starter.

    I am not telling you to go and try this. It takes a steady hand and experience.

    Also if she doesn't shoot that much look at buying some reduced recoil Remington Factory loads.

    I would try a load of 57gr of Varget with a 110gr Hornady bullet.

    Recoil has more to do with bullet weight than how much powder you use.
  11. langenc

    langenc Active Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Montmorency Co, MI
    Youth loads or Trailboss. Grand daughter shot an elk w/ 300 WSM and H4895-downloaded to about 75% as per Hodgdons info as noted above.

    Better yet buy her a 243. Do NOT let her shoot big booming loads. She will start flinching and probably never get rid of em, the flinches.
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2012
  12. Bindernut

    Bindernut Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2007
    ND, USA
    Kinda sidetracking from the light load detonation phenomenon...but I think you're talking about inside the engine, not in a burning fuel tank.
    In a fuel tank, the increased airspace gives more room for the fuel to vaporize, or mix with an oxidizing agent. (vaporized gasoline is the stuff that causes the violent explosion).
    We've fought fires in quite a few vehicles and farm equipment here at our local volunteer FD and the ones that have a nearly empty tank are more dangerous to work with...although neither one is a cakewalk. A nearly empty tank will explode rather violently where a full one doesn't have as much airspace for vapor to collect. They will pop too, but not with as much force...the danger then is all of the liquid fuel that it pukes out when the tank does rupture.
    The same goes for welding on a flammable liquid fuel container (gas tank). Never weld on one with it empty...even if it's been sitting bone dry for several years. Always fill it with water, CO2, or some other inert medium before welding on one so there is no oxygen available to mix with the fuel.

    This is how an excessively light powder charge reacts. If your cartridge case has too much airspace, there is a lot more oxidizing agent inside the case than in a normal load. This will cause an extremely violent ignition with a VERY high pressure spike.
    It's the same thinking behind not allowing any airspace in a cartridge loaded with black powder ALWAYS needs to be compressed. Too much oxidizing agent with black powder equals one tremendous explosion because it is an extremely fast burn rate compared to even the fastest burning smokeless powder.

    Kind of the exact opposite of having too much powder but the end result is still the same. Big boom!
    Basic moral of the story is DON'T go under published minimum loads. For most powders, they are listed as a minimum safe level for a reason.
  13. soundguy

    soundguy Well-Known Member

    May 8, 2012
    get her a nice tack driver caliber with no kick.

    17 hmr 22 hornet.. 218 bee 222rem etc....
  14. ozo

    ozo Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2011
    Nashville TN
    A Marlin 917
    or CZ 452
    or Henry H004........
    i bet she would love a 17hmr....
    in any of these
  15. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    Y'know, folks, it could very well be that the feller is having his girl shoot the ought six 'cause that's the onliest thing he's got, and he ain't got the money to buy a light-kicking hornet or 17 rimfire or whatever.

    So why not quit advising him to buy another gun, and help him with "how can she shoot this one?", which is, after all, what he asked about.
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