Sturmgewehr Mp-44

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  1. AL MOUNT

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  2. lumax

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    A375RANGER, thanks for your reply. I checked the forum everyday & it seemed like I wasn't going to get any response to my thread after Sarge answered me. Do you have any idea who the maker was of this gun based on the information that I supplied? Thanks, lumax
  3. A375RANGER

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    Sorry, no I'm not an expert on the history of the guns. I just know a bit about putting them back together as semi's.

    Collector grade pubs has a $70 book I havne't gotten yet that probably tells all you want to know.
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    Sorry, I didn't learn my mediocre/fair German from an internet translater.
    Ranger is right in the correkt German usage of SturmGewehr.

    Ranger - since when is a semi version of anything a "dummy" gun? It still fires, just not FA. I also don't think 20-25% of the price for a "real" 44 is a bad price at all. I've got several of the real thing and would still buy one of the semi's - If I could find one for not more than $4K!

    lumax - your 44 was built by Haneal (fxo) on a contrakt made (cos) receiver.
    Not an uncommon mix on these. By the way cos (Merz-Werk, Frankfort) made lots of stamped metal parts for a wide variety of small arms.
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  5. Light Coat

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    Tells you how long I've been away from the '44s for. Used to have to scrounge for ammunition for them when I had mine. Had a whole family of sub-guns until I lost all intersest or moved back to this piissy anti-auto state.

    Don't feel to vexed about that internet translator; you should see how it butchers and English to German translation. It is absolutley true that words take on a different meaning in a military context. Every good soldier knows that a cover goes on his head and not his bed. Anyway to the point; military dictionaries are very handy if you are dealing with other languages. I have bought as much dual language material from the time the Germans were using the old italic print as possible. Even if you can't read them, military journals and old issues of Signal are extremely interesting.
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    The last I knew Kansas allowed dewats and seems like I've head they also allow C & R catagory FAs.
    When I lived in Kansas with a house full (actually only about a half dozed) of dewats they didn't even allow those. I didn't know about it till I had moved back to Mo.

    I learned to read and write German using both the script & what is now current day form. I can still read a bit of it, but not much and about all I can write is my name.
    Personally I like Der Adler u. related magazines (Luftflotte West, Nord u. Süd) better than Signal, but then I'm more interested in the Luftwaffe.
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  7. A375RANGER

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    We are talking about two different things. he was looking at a dummy gun, asking about making a semi auto. He wanted to buy a $4000 dummy gun made from real parts.

    The gun he spoke of had a piece of the reciever missing and filled with solid material, meaning the gun still needs a cut reciever to build off of. Also it is most likely missing the bolt group. He'll need another $1000 to get the reciever pieces, $400 for the barrel as the one in it was plugged, and another bunch for internals, and another $1000-2000 (most likely closer to $2000) for a god of welding to put it together straight and to spec. Even then without a real one and a complete seperate trunion to compare to the welding will be almost imposible.

    Thats $7000-8000 cash not counting time. I'd start with $2000 dummy gun made from real parts with a good barrel or a $3000 parts kit with reciever pieces. Thats what I did. I also had a complete gun to compare to and a trunnion to use as a guide when rebuilding mine.


    I wouldn't sell mine for under $10,000 even as a semi.

    Heres a MP44 and Luftwaffe shot combined. These are mine in use.

    Sarge I can't believe you wouldn't help a young SF brother out and sell that top kit!

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    Dewats don't count in my book; they are ok though as far as the law is concerned. FA is almost impossible unless you count it as a dealer sample here.

    Sarge I used to have a subscription to Der Spiegel and Das Stern at one point. Got tired of current events. Most of my bulk is Franco-Prussian era history books and journals and WWI newspapers and books. Although I have found use for a 1923 field survey manual; we still use the same equipment.

    I picked up my first military dictionary when I was on loan to Rak Hydra in Oberdachstetten and it remained handy for quite some time as I got a blue target issued for head wear.
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    Hey ranger (as in there's nothing stranger than) :)
    I can match that photo.
    What unit you in? I'm FJR1.
    Xin Loi, nothing in the photo of my 43 family is for sale, probably for ever!
    What's this young SF brother bit? Who, when, where, what?
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    How about this one then. No MP44s but none needed to make these pictures cool.

    One the drop zones at St Mere Englise in German uniform, first time anyones seen that in a few years! We went over invited by the Frogs to represent germans for the first time this aniversary.

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    Yes! Very neat photos. I did that at Kreta & Casino for the 50th. Also back away from Omaha beach on the D Day 50. Unfortunately I don't have any photos of the first 2, but some video of Normandy around here some place. 2 of us with a combi in combat uniform.
    I was at St Mere in the official seating section - row behind where the 101st vets sat after they jumped - for the 50. and in the bleachers - No official seating that year, but Sec Army sat beside me and seems like the commandant of the maroon korps sat across the isle? - for the 60.
    Hey, you didn't answer any of my questions.

    Here is 4 of us at a civilian jump in 02. The guy on the left had just jumped, his first, and the other 3 were getting ready, 2nd from rights first also. Full equipment jump. Nearly all of my unit is jump qualified.

    Yep, that ammo has been available for a while.
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    3/75
    RRD/75
    12SFG
    19SFG

    Did reserve time as a IMA at JFK also
  14. TYRUS

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    I RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOUSE WITH A WOODEN CRATE FULL OF BULLETS. WHEN I TOOK THEM TO MY LOCAL GUN STORE HE TOLD ME THEY WERE FOR A MP 44. THESE BULLETS ARE STILL SEALED IN THE ORIGINAL PACKAGES. WOULD ANYONE BE INTERESTED IN BUYING THEM I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE HARD TO GET. THE GUN DEALER SAID THE PACKAGING CODE SAYS THEY WERE PACKAGED IN 1943.

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  15. fleshknott

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    The rarest of all is the STG-45 ... most likely in the high 5 digits to 6 digit figures. If you are able to find one for sale that is ... even than, I would be very cautious. Actually, don't ever expect to find one on the market. Besides, your only pay'n more for the stamp, it's no different in design from the 44. Guess it is up to the collectors standards.

    quick history of the STG

    The original weapon is the STG-45, which was introduced on the eastern front. The weapon was produced against Hitlers will -- he had given the thumbs down on the weapon based on appearance. I believe he used the word ‘ugly’ which was due to the stamped weapon design.

    The generals went ahead and had the STG-45 produced anyway. Though, they had to make sure the weapon would not be seen by Hitler, thus they were sent to the eastern front. Unfortunatly due too 'private' funding, small quantities of the original were shipped. Talk about dropping a load ... it wasn’t long till Hitler took a trip to the eastern front.

    While traveling along the eastern front, Hitler was conducting troop inspections. He approached a trooper in one of the formations. Hitler asked what he could do to help in their efforts. The trooper asked for more STG-45’s ... to Hitlers surprise ... he began to notice his troopers were armed with the 'ugly' rifle... rest assured, he was pissed.

    Hitler glared at the generals, which I’m sure they all knew it was a matter of time till they faced a fire squad. But, lucky for them, they were able to convince Hitler of the weapons combat proven capabilities. Thus, in time, Hitler redesignated the weapon as the STG-44 and wanted to glorify the weapon for his propaganda engine -- giving it the name 'assault rifle'.

    The STG had developed into the MP series and production continued well after WW2. Also, the STG's evolutionary offspring is one of the most prefered weapons of today ... the AK-47.

    The bullet is from a MG42 round and the casing is from the K98 ? maybe it was K68. Anyhow, they took a standard rifle casing and chopped it in half, fitted the MG42 bullet and bamm, you now have a STG round. Which was great in mass production aspect. Germany was already geared for exsisting ammo production and the STG series was a stamped design.

    Unfortunate or fortunate, guess it depends on your point of view. The weapon did not make it to the western front quick enough for a noticable difference for germany. You can dub it as another one of Hilters greatest blunders. But, we Americans are no different, the BAR was produced during WW1, but out of fear that the germans would get ahold of it and reverse engineer the design. We ended up storing the revolutionary BAR (well, for that era) while US troopers were stuck using POS french weapons. SNAFU .. political retards, ya gotta love it.
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    Hey SARGE:

    I know this is quite off the mark but my Mom was a WW2 war bride from the Ardennes in France. In 1995, a year after she passed, I went to Bayonville in the Ardennes to spend 2 weeks and attend a cousin's wedding. While there I was talking to one of my kin and he said he worked for the Road Crew. He said the week before we arrived he was working a grader and he and his crew unearthed a dead French soldier from the Franco-Prussian War! Believe it or not they identified him and he was from a suburb of Paris. By the way I have a two volume set of illustrated books of the Franco-Prussian War published a few years after the conflict in French. Oh, the wedding reception was in the village Sgt. Alvin York shot 22 Germans and captured 132 more in October, 1918. I saw the monument from the State of Tennessee across the street from the hall! I like chatting about what my Mom told me and my mother's family history. If you want to chat about it e-mail me at jeanbarb@verizon.net

    jeanp1948 (Jean Francois Pouliot) of Oakland, Maine
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  17. Das Reich

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    Hi . Youst a little info: 424000 stg was produced. 11717 mkb42h and about 200 mkb42w. About 20400 of the stg s was mp43/1 that i sligtly different from the rest( scope mount, and some other things). Hanel produced 185000,Erma 104000, Steyr 80000, and Sauer 55000. And there are some evidenses that pointing on that there was produced about 20000 more in april 1945 that is not on the list. greetings
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    Hello, I am new to the site. I have an MP43 or 44 not sure which that was given to around 15 years ago by my great uncle. He brought this back as a war trophy. He gave me quite a few firearms, but I do not have much use for this one in particular. I am writing this question before doing research, but what is the price range if I were looking to get rid of it? I understand that they are scarce, and am familiar with the history. Please let me know what additional information would be helpful. Thanks!
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    Took a few photos as well:

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  20. jack404

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    Struth !!!! its a MP44 1st series!!!! (5 changes so i hope this is right )

    i hope thats all permittted and such

    nice!!!!!!
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