Surprise! Surprise!Surprise! Where did all the clunkers go?

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by Redhand, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Redhand

    Redhand Active Member

    Apr 14, 2009
    I stopped by one of our junkyards today to try and find a replacement seat cover for my wifes Gas guzzling Jeep Cherokee( Ah! but its been so dependable). Anyway the lot was full of American made clunkers that were in great shape minus the engines. I ask if I could purchase one of the vehicles and swap my engine into it and have a great vehicle with less miles on it. They said they could not sell anything off them yet and that when they could only 3 parts at a time were saleable. They said you could not buy the whole vehicle and replace the engine. Anyway it got my BP up and kick started my brain cells. Why can't I buy one of those vehicles? Afterall my tax dollars paid for them. Why did car dealers and junk dealers have exclusive rights to buy those vehicles? The junk dealers got the vehicles for pennies on the dollar, and the clunkers that bought into that whole $4500. cash got ripped a new one. The dealers may make out like fatcats because their discounts are only on paper and if they are lucky they will get a kickback from Uncle Fud and the Union bosses. I would have gladly paid $4500. cash for most of the vehicles I saw. Then the clunker that traded it in could have had some real cash in their jeans to negotiate a real deal. The whole thing stinks, those 700,000 trades-ins will be junked period, making very few replacement parts available for those models still on the road,thereby getting others waisted. They were exclusivly AMERICAN made automobiles and they were traded in for almost exclusivly Foreign made vehicles. Who is the loser here? The AMERICAN tax payer. Thanks but no thanks I'll keep my gas guzzling AMERICAN icon and its Indian logo un til the foreign made tires bite the dust. End of my rant before I kill off more brain cells and get dumbed down even lower than they would like me to be.:mad::mad::eek::confused::mad::mad:
  2. Mr. Nameless

    Mr. Nameless New Member

    Feb 21, 2009
    Coast of N.C.
    I think you may have made some brain cells on that one.

  3. rentalguy1

    rentalguy1 Former Guest

    The clunkers went to the junk yards and the money went to Japan. Who says Osama can't cure the economy? What? What's that? Oh...he is supposed to be working on OUR economy.....
  4. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    There was no requirement regarding the country of origin of either the clunker traded in, nor of the vehicle bought.
    The car you traded IN had to get 18 MPG or less.
    The car you BOUGHT had to get 22 mpg or better.
    If your mileage improved by 4 mpg or more, you got $3500.
    If your mileage improved by 10 mpg or more, you got $4500.

    And the clunkers in the junkyard are missing more than the engine; the entire drive train was forbidden to be re-sold by the salvage yard. They had to sell off the parts and crush the rest within six months of aquiring the vehicle.

    If anyone had a vehicle worth more than $4500, why on earth would they utilize this program?

    Of the big three, Ford held its own under this program.
    IMHO, this was due to Ford NOT taking any bailout money. A LOT of people gave them credit for that.
  5. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    None of my money went to Japan.
    I bought a Nissan, made here in TN by Nissan America, Inc., traded on the NYSE like any other American company.
  6. Hardballer

    Hardballer New Member

    What ever floats your boat.
  7. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    Believe me, I wrestled with Nissan because it was ORIGINALLY a Japanese company, and my Father-In-Law, who I respect greatly, was a guest of the Japanese throughout most of WWII. Before I bought one, I talked to him at length. When he found out it was made in the US by US workers, and the company was now a US company, he said he had no problem with it.
    STILL a bit nervous about them, I bought the cheapest 1982 Sentra on the lot so I would not get burned too badly. It ran flawlessly, and at 96000 miles I decided I could trust them and traded it for a 1989 240 SX that was a GREAT little car. Hot, economical, and no problems. I drove it for a quarter of a million miles and NEVER opened the engine; NOTHING but routine tune-ups and oil changes, and ONE brake job. I just got too old for that low a vehicle as I developed difficulty getting out of it, and traded it in when it was still running perfectly.
  8. petesusn

    petesusn Member

    My Ford Focus is probably only about 10% American. It was even assembled in Mexico. My Ford an American car? I don't think so.
  9. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    Oh, man, don't even get me STARTED on that!

    My 1968 Olds 442 was built in Canada.
    When we wanted a Motorcycle, we found that more of the Honda GL1500 was made in the USA than the Harley was!!
    VERY irritating, as I firmly support AMERICAN workers whenever possible.
  10. JohnBrainard

    JohnBrainard New Member

    Sep 11, 2009
    Gilbert, AZ
    Same with my Tacoma.

    I had a GMC Sonoma before I bought my Tacoma..... Never again. That truck was in the shop more at 60k miles than my Sentra at 140k miles and I put at least three times as many miles on my Sentra.
  11. pinecone70

    pinecone70 Active Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    Minnesota Gal!
    I need to trade one of my vehicles and I don't even know what to replace it with. Grr.
  12. Suicide*Ride

    Suicide*Ride New Member

    Apr 6, 2009
    Golden, Colorado
    A good question is: how does a person know if the drivetrain parts he's buying @ the boneyard didn't originate from a clunker? IIRC, the only requirement of the dealer to disable the vehicle was to clunker-bomb (destroy) the engine.

    The drivetrain as a whole (transmission, front-end, rear-end, transfer case, disc brakes) can be more costly to replace than an engine, especially if the vehicle is a 4x4 or AWD.

    I store a travel trailer @ a tiny little lot, & there are several 4x4 "clunkers" sitting in the back where nobody can see them.... I wonder what their story is. :rolleyes:

  13. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    Yeah, the dealer had to drain out the engine oil and pour Sodium Silicate Solution into the crankcase, then run the engine until it ceased.

    But the paperwork on this program was PHENOMENAL!
    I have no doubt that there are CLOSE tabs being kept on these vehicles AND their components until the remains are crushed in six months.

    I see a LOT of flat-beds driving around here with clunkers on them, and they are marked clearly 'CFC - NOT for resale', so they are being kept separate to at least some extent.
  14. Yeah, that's right Barry! Make sure those older cars are destroyed so those of us that drive older cars won't be able to get parts:mad::mad: So when is King-Emperor Barack I going to give me a gov't incentive to get rid of my "clunker" since I can't afford a new car payment? Oh wait, maybe if I promise to vote Democrat in the next couple three elections, he'll make my car payment for me:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    This is just another way to overwhelm the system and get more people dependent on Uncle Sugar so they can destroy this country...just like Cloward and Piven said:rolleyes::mad:
  15. Gun Geezer

    Gun Geezer Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2009
    Central Florida
    If you lift the hood on any automobile sold in the USA it must include a sticker that lists the point of origin of major components, typically the drive line, engine and transmission. For those of you who's mindset is only buy American, please avoid your neighborhood Chevy and Ford dealers. You will be very upset to find so few American parts. Assemblies with names like Korea, China, Japan, Mexico and France are sure to catch your eyes. Get over it and buy a Honda. Most of them are at least assembled over here rather than Mexico. If you don't like it, thank your labor unions, the EPA and OSHA. Then thank the colleges and universities who educate the foreign students who flock here and then take their knowledge and skills home. Don't forget to thank your government who, at the first inkling of financial woes, cuts funding to education and eliminates special programs for at risk kids. And don't forget state governments who repeatedly rob or underfund teachers pension funds. It should come as no surprise that the clunkers program is flawed. Since when has any government run program been successful. Just wait til they pass healthcare. It'll give new meaning to the words bend over.
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