Surviving the downfall

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by UncleFudd, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. UncleFudd

    UncleFudd Active Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Phoenix, Az
    Need help.

    I thought I read a link posted by one of the member regarding a Serb who had actually survived the Czecknian crisis.
    He was telling what it was really like to survive in this horrible situation for over a year, what he lived through, witnessed, experienced and had to do just to live day to day.

    If any remember or know where to find this link please re-post it or PM me or e mail etc.

    I appreciate any help I can get to find this info as it was truly interesting and educational for planning purposes etc.

    Thanks so much.

  2. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2007
    Hmmm... I remember it, too. Now where is it...

  3. UncleFudd

    UncleFudd Active Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Phoenix, Az


    If you ever find yourself in Az give a shout so I can buy you a big orange.;)

    I had started reading this and found it to be very educational and eye opening to say the least.
    What happens in the real world when there is nothing in the stores, and we are left to survive with only and I repeat only what we have at hand.

    Thanks a bunch guys and gals.:D

  4. Gun Geezer

    Gun Geezer Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2009
    Central Florida
    Forty-two percent of our citizens are on the Government dole, according to the latest reports. If our Government collapses, nearly half of the population will be dead in 6 mos. with nobody to supply their needs and wants. Those who don't die from starvation or disease will try to steal what they no longer get without having the skills or inclination to work for. With no penal or judicial system, vigilante justice will thin the herd, but at a high cost. Those who have the means and will to protect what is theirs will eventually triumph. In a year or less we will be thrust back into the pre-revolutionary war era, the only difference being higher tech weapons. If the electric grid fails, which it must, cell phones and computers will be useless. The rest of the infrastructure will follow and money will be useless. The country will be taken over by what can only be described as warlords who will rule ruthlessly. Whats to look forward too?
  5. 76Highboy

    76Highboy Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2012
    Few people get this. The smart ones do.
  6. prof_fate

    prof_fate Former Guest

    Jan 20, 2012
    Western PA
    Being one of the warlords?

    No, I agree, it's not something I want to see come to fruition. When I was young, robust, single, owned nothing of consequence I was all for it - a great way to 'test' or prove oneself.

    Now? No way. However, it can happen and not being prepared means a slower, more painful death. I might be able to eat a bullet, but what, leave my kids and wife behind? No way. Shoot them first? No way in hell. So then challenge becomes what to prepare for, and how much to change your lifestyle 'just in case'.

    To live 100% self sufficiently in a cave bunker in the mountains with a few comrades suggests you'll survive whatever happens. But until then what quality of life have you got? I went to Disney and enjoyed it very much. I like camping (in an RV with a fridge, toilet, running water and not in a tent squatting in the dirt to brush my teeth), living near (but not in) a city. I like electricity, computers and the internet - really really like them.

    I like sleeping at night - should the SHTF I doubt i'd ever sleep well again. Who's to guard my family? Who's guarding me while I sleep? Do I 'invest' my kids college savings in building a bunker in my basement? Since nothing like this has happened on this continent since the 1860s, and even then it was moslty restricted to a few places and lasted a short time (other than vicksburg) I would have to say statistically you're more likely to win the publishers clearing house than to face a SHTF situation that lasts beyond a week.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2012
  7. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    and whats wrong with being a "warlord " when SHTF ??

    i remember the Byzantine Empire started that way , as a responce to lawlessness and raids by islamists to be ( slavers and looters) and the north africans they stirred up ,

    nothing wrong with a "strong man" who sets a standard that he himself must be bound too , the shirmak or warrior Group that founded the borders and later rules of the byzantines where early Christians , in a rough land they imposed a rough rule

    but look at the beauty and peace that came of it until islam interfered..

    if it got totally to heck here , damn straight me and mine will state and re-enforce the law , maybe not the states law , but survival law for sure ..

    5 will get you ten the lowlives will form gangs

    and i suggest likewise for those interested , just be sure of what your joining and that it will be ask you joined a year or three on..
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2012
  8. Juker

    Juker New Member

    Feb 8, 2011
    Land of Lincoln
    It's a date. :D

    As soon as I started reading that site, I saved it, and have been reading it ever since. Most enlightening ---
  9. Zhurh

    Zhurh Active Member

    Mar 19, 2010
    Upper Yukon, Alaska
    Wouldn't we all like to be WARLORDS; I would too but I just don't think it's going to stay that bad for an extended period of time, like years. Maybe in the cities, but in rural areas life will go on; Many people have been prepared for a long time; they live their lives that way. You know, garden, canning meat, on and on, just being ready to do on their own.

    No food in grocery stores, no supplies, money value will drop, no fuel, ect. I think after one has their food & supplies up to snuff; necessary means to protect everything; the #1 thing to remember is the further out & rural that you are, the safer you and yours will be. Have a cabin up the mnts if you can't live rural.

    WE live along the Yukon where it comes into Alaska from Canada, you'd be hard put getting more rural than that. Locals have discussed burning bridges to stop the influx of people; half jokingly. I doubt they'd have the gas to make it 200 miles down our dirt road when it all came down to it.

    I have a 1000 gal tank full fuel oil, need a 500 gal gas tank to keep my snowmachines & 4 wheelers happy. Need to load up on booze to barter with. MOST IMPORTANTLY, I need to get 100 cartons of smokes for the lovely wifey that turns into the she devil from the North when she runs out.

    The Warlord thing does interest everybody, doesn't it.
  10. I clicked on the link & it dident work.
    Several weeks later I get a message from them I opened it.
    EVER SINCE they been sending me stuff!

    I read allot of it but most is in general comon sence.

    I think Its still in my junk if anyone wants to see it I'll send it to you.
  11. fordtrucksforever

    fordtrucksforever Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    East of DFW
    If SHTF in a national sense, it will be some time before any type of normalcy will take affect. Too much corruption in the current system for anything else to happen. That means for anyone that plans to go the distance, protecting whats yours will be the most paramount issue to deal with. Its really hard to guess now a days where is actually a better place to be. Inner city obviously wont work and outer areas will be prime target from the nearby cities. Sub rural areas may be initially safe for a short time. But wont take long before the desperate people to do what ever it takes to acquire their needs will figure out it may be easy pickings. Out in the sticks, it will be difficult for people to have 24/7 security or survive being over run by a group of lowlifes that have nothing to loose. I fear with the total lack of morality this country has dropped to, the cesspool of scumbags will likely overrun most people that were able to become self sufficient. The other thing that really bothers me is people that you may think you could rely on will actually turn on you to save themselves. In time of crisis, it will not be easy for me to trust anyone, especially when things get really bad. All the guns and ammo stashed back will be useless if you cant trust to turn your back around the ones you may need to rely on. In desperate times many people will do things so much out of character without any concern of consequence. Basically whatever it takes to keep themselves alive and what they think needed to accomplish that. Unless a really rural area is somewhat self sufficient with stable minded citizens, it will become some type of warlord society. Many of the locals will also want to allow their extended family and friends to join them initially after the calamity. The extremists will be strongly apposed to anything like this. Just from the friction from differing arguments will eventually lead to some type of tyranny. I recall reading Animal Farm in Jr High School...
  12. UncleFudd

    UncleFudd Active Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Phoenix, Az
    Good point and thoughts.

    The problem is, we don't have any idea how bad it will become or how quickly or where it will begin.
    If it becomes so bad the infrastructure fails, no electricity, etc. there will be no water, forget the computers, radios TVs. How do you get to water?

    If it actually gets that bad, I believe there will be a huge die-off in a matter of days and more as the weeks go by if it continues. Lack of medicines for those on critical meds for instance and for those who require critical care of any kind. Then the masses will become lost as there will be nothing in the stores or any place other than with those who have prepared in some manner.

    So the gangs begin to form and to forage and 24 X 7 security will be absolutely necessary. As fordtrucks points out, who do you trust? If you have family come to live in your compound, home do they have and bring the things necessary for them to survive or does it come to you to provide and herein lies another potential problem. Greed will quickly form and become problematic even in families. But it will be necessary to have more than just you and your wife to maintain security and or to defend what you might have.

    What about your local LEOs. Will they become a part of the roving gang situation and if so how will you deal with THEM!! Think it won't or can't then you are not reading or paying attention to recent history, (Katrina) for example. Many of the good officers left to take care of their families in the beginning. Others, (not all) just a few but some none the less did become a part of the gang situation invading homes etc and who can shoot an officer of the law?

    In rural areas such as that close to us, there is already a large drug problem and survivalist groups that may quickly become roving gangs as they are already organized and armed. They are the ones who scare me the most from the outset and most certainly will have to be dealt with or defended against.

    If you have water/well and it will eventually become known then you are a target very quickly and it will be very difficult to keep it unknown no matter how far out you may be and believe me I am a long way out and not surrounded by neighbors on ANY side.

    Anyone who believes you can hole up in a cave and live off the land will quickly perish as there will be no game almost from the first day or certainly the first week or two and even if there is a few animals how will you get greens and veggies necessary? Cannot live on meat alone. And back to the water thing and it's proximity to your cave.

    Bottom line I believe if it comes to a real, disaster and or failure and it lasts more than a month the security and willingness to use force without hesitation will be paramount to survival. All the prep and hoarding in the world will not help if you cannot protect it all day every day for the duration.

    Just a few thoughts from an old man who believes if I last another 10 years I will witness some kind of system failure as we know it. But then I have heard this is coming and been preparing since Timothy Leary tried to walk on water.
    Anyone remember that. Don't have to admit it here as it does have a tendency to date ones self.:D

  13. Zhurh

    Zhurh Active Member

    Mar 19, 2010
    Upper Yukon, Alaska
    People still live a subsistence lifestyle where I call home; live off what the land & river provides. I know most can't fathom, appreciate, or access that type of lifestyle but when you are 200 miles from the nx nearest town or people (down a road that is closed more than open due to washouts & slides) you are much safer. Sure ain't suburbia out here.

    Have a long lane with gate, mine is over 1000 feet. People around here already know who is welcome and who will get their windows shot out being lost where they shouldn't be. That's just reality when you live where there isn't any law enforcement for 200 miles. It's always been that way in our community. You always call before visiting somebody or you might get shot by accident. It has happened a few times over the years.

    I still believe I could find places all over the rural west, just as safe as the boonies in Alaska. I think many Americans have never, ever lived any amount of time in a rural area where they made do with nx to nothing and did well. So it's completely foreign to them almost unfathomable to them. Believe me, it's out there and much more survivable than 50 miles out of any city back east; living on 25 acres in a fortress.

    In the end, the thing is one has to about redirect their life to find such survivable locales. Look for other things like peace of mind, happiness, slower lifestyle; the safety comes as a bonus.
  14. prof_fate

    prof_fate Former Guest

    Jan 20, 2012
    Western PA
    The boonies are safe as long as they are the boonies - great if you live there and better if everyone has everything they need. But if run out of food then what? Or if your neighbor does? Not everyone prepares...

    I could build a bunker, stock it with a year's supply of food...or I could buy a surplus hummer, 10,000 rounds of ammo, build grenades, get body armour and just take over your save haven. Or try to which is the more likely scenario as what, half of the homes have guns but only has 3 days of food.

    Yes, a large portion of the population will be dead in a month - medicine, violence, suicide, starvation perhaps. Only the strong those that are left are gonna be above average in their capabilities.

    My initial thought is to bunker down in my basement (better would be a hidden bunker) for that month. Emerge carefully. Now what? I don't have horses (can't here) or sheep or such. If I had a garden it would be pillaged during that month, or if it happened now there's no food there anyway - so I need in April to plant crops that won't be ready to eat for 3 to 5 months, and I"ll possibly need to plant them ye old fashioned way (pehraps I can take my tiller and gas to the bunker...) So realistically I should have a year's supply of food. And no, I dont' want to live on this if I can have any other option.

    I don't think escaping to a mountain retreat is a good plan - depends I guess on where you are and such, but a sudden incident will clog the roads and cause panic, a slower occurring one many not let you run, or someone can run before you and get your stuff, especially if you're planning a group safe house.
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