Swat team shoots Marine 22 times

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  1. permafrost

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    Big Ugly, on a completely unrelated topic. You have definitely made me a "Blackberry Smoke" fan. Thanks, please continue..... and pardon my drift.
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    Think ya got the wrong guy Buckshot; I've yet to comment on this matter and I agree with the fact that the cops are the ones playing catch-up in the weapons cache. Criminals have no need for weapons; but this is why they're criminals, they're going to get whatever they can and use'em. If we outlaw every possible weapon known to man; they will find a way to create one and use it against those that are defenseless.

    Not sure who you were referring to, but maybe a direct quote would help for contexts sake.
  3. Buckshot

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    Holy Smokes Woolley. I was obviously having a conversation with 300 H&H! I must have just come from another thread and seen your name. Doh! Sorry about that old chap.

    As for the rest, the warrant(s) were for searches only. Any arrest would have been based on contraband found. Without going into detail I'll just say that the warrants were absolutely justified, and it's a damn shame they didn't seem to have paid off in any substantial way. (Yet.) If you knew the facts you would realize that this "veteran" was the sort to give servicemen and women a bad name.

    When Oathkeepers learns the true nature of the man (and family) on whose behalf they recently demonstrated, they are going to have egg on their faces you won't believe. It may NEVER come off. As an organization made up of law enforcement and military personnel, I'm astounded they seemed not to have known better than to act on news reports and not wait for the facts.
  4. Inthewind1976

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    Sorry Buck but unless this guy was CONVICTED of a violent felony, prior to the time the officers "attempted to serve a search warrant" (said VERY tongue in cheek) the guy was INNOCENT. INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. AND........no contraband was proported to have been found in the search. Therefore, my opinion remains the same - this was ABSOLUTELY an excessive and inappropriate use of force, whether the guy was a choir boy or not.
  5. Buckshot

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    If you point a gun at police officers, all bets are off. As it should be. Only an idiot (and I don't mean you, I mean the guy pointing the gun) doesn't realize that. The cops didn't initiate that sequence, the suspect did.

    I understand, someday circumstances may change that. But that day is not here. Yet. Did law enforcement go way over the top with Waco and Ruby Ridge? You betcha. They should have been prosecuted for their actions, all the way to the top. Would all those people still be alive if Koresh and Weaver had simply surrendered and had their day in court? You betcha. There was a lot of wrong on both sides.

    Someday NOT recognizing that authority and NOT surrendering may be the noble and necessary response, but in my opinion we are not yet at that point.

    Let's say this suspect was guilty of everything the cops were accusing him of in the affidavit for the warrant. He also KNEW that there was no evidence in his home. The cops were yelling, "Search warrant!" He KNEW he could have let them turn the place upside down, and then smiled as they left empty-handed. Maybe even waggled his fingers in his ears and stuck out his tongue. He would have KNOWN that not only would it have given them a black eye, it would have undermined their assertions and inoculated him to some degree going forward. But...he chose a different response.

    Convicted or not, I'm convinced this guy, his whole family, and his wife's whole family were involved in the distribution of illegal drugs. I'll save my sympathies for the good guys.
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  6. Aristocles

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    Howdy all.

    [Deleted my post as it seemed superfluous]
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  7. Inthewind1976

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    All very valid points, Buck. :)
  8. Aristocles

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    I suspect you actually read it. :)
  9. Buckshot

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    Hmmm? Read what? I'm sure I have no idea what you're talking about.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Thanks for the awesome conversation everyone! That's what makes this place worth hanging around.
  10. Aristocles

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    Taking your post as a slur:

    Clearly, I do not really care whether you know what the prior contents were.

    I deleted it as would seem to be an option provided for by the forum vis-a-vis the "Edit" button, but left a greeting.

    It was superfluous, quite similar to your own posts in this thread.

    :bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh:

    There. Now. . .
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  11. Inthewind1976

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    Aristo, I think maybe you lost most of us......who's chain are you yanking? Mine, Bucks, both of us, neither of us........?? Just to clarify MY position in the fray, I still disagree on basic points with Buck. I believe he makes many valid points, and many of 'em, I generally agree with. In this case, and truthfully, knowing only what I know at the present, not having researched the SPECIFICS of the case, I still tend to believe that the use of force and the WHOLE APPROACH TO THE SITUATION was entirely overdone by adrenalized red and blue light junkies and that the whole "rules of engagement" as they bore out, was way beyond even being simply "excessive." More like outrageous. Now, that being said, WTF are you trying to say and to whom, Aristo?
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  12. Aristocles

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    Inthewind1976:

    I typed a post then deleted most of its contents.

    I read your post directly under my post and assumed that it was a reply to my- 37 minute earlier- deleted post. Having read the thread, I read similar thoughts expressed in your posts. Then, reading "Bud", in the sense of buddy or pal instead of what was actually written, to wit, "Buck", I posted one a line reply. In retrospect, I understand that your post was directed at "Buckshot". Frankly, I should have realized that right away. Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa. :)

    "Buckshot" quoted my post and replied with sarcasm. I then quoted his post and responded in kind. I made a post and then decided to delete it, leaving only a greeting.

    I wrote a single sentence to you (should have quoted you) in reply to your post because I mistakenly thought you were replying to my post. "Buckshot" then chimed in with a sarcastic response directed at my post.

    I wasn't yanking anyone's one's chain.

    As for the posts contents they have been hashed a rehashed. I simply made some observations concerning time, context, visual acuity when looking from light to dark, posted a link or two. . . just as I typed, superfluous crap.
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  13. Aristocles

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    Internet forums. . . Miscommunication. Signal, noise, you get it. . .

    Buckshot:

    I probably disagree with your thoughts here but that is what happens on forums and makes for lively debate. I doubt if your sarcasm was meant in the way I took it. Sorry.

    Inthewind1976:

    The miscommunication is directly traceable to me, or my post, as it were. . .

    Solution

    I will leave it to you guys. Just got here, so as I exit, only a minor ripple on the surface of the pond will be noted. Bye. :)
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  14. Inthewind1976

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    Ahhhh, its ok Aristo. As a matter of fact Superfluous Crap is my middle name. Of course if you want PROOF, you will have to get a copy of my birth certificate from Hawaii. :D :D :D
  15. Buckshot

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    Wow, I'm lost...or I musta missed something. But I think we've really skittered off the path here...

    Aristocles, when you said, "I suspect you actually read it," I assumed you were referring to the affidavit for the warrant, because that was what I'd just mentioned. MY response to that was a tongue-in-cheek response based on the fact that if I HAD, it isn't something I would admit to, especially if my access to it were not strictly authorized. (Hypothetically speaking of course.;) )
    But maybe you meant something else entirely and I missed the turnoff.

    As for my final comment about the good conversation, that was sincere. I said it because I meant it. If someone thought it was simple sarcasm, you aren't familiar with me or my history of posts. There is no shortage of snarky jerks and Adam Henrys, but the fact that there seem to be very few around here is why I like this forum. And the "bosses" won't put up with it.

    P.S. Ariostocles, if no one has welcomed you, let me be the first. Hang around. Lots of good info and good folks around these parts.
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