Tactical Glock 17 shooting questions

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by darkwolf210, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. darkwolf210

    darkwolf210 New Member

    Oct 24, 2010
    Hello! I recently bought a used Glock 17 (pretty great condition) and have a few questions maybe someone could help me out with.

    1. Is a light or a laser a better fixture on a sidearm? I dont live with family, and the few i have over, wouldnt be in pitch blackness for me to ID them as we leave lights on in most major rooms any opinions or real use for a light on a Glock 17?

    2. I hear hollow points are standard for self defense, and on that note does anyone know how much a 9mm hollow point would penetrate before it was totally ineffective? I.E. the bad guy hides behind my couch taking pop shots at me, can i return fire and expect to hit him?

    .3 Take the above question to a wooden door, personally what I figure i'd do in a self defense situation (and recently I almost had one, or thought I did, heard a loud noise some shuffling around and for the first time pulled out my side arm and locked and loaded, I was also shaking, dont laugh) once I was sure it was not someone I knew and it was someone that wasn't supposed to be there, i'd probably let some rounds through the door crouch down and call the police where i'd stay there covering the general direction of where I think the intrusion is. Would that be a waste of my precious rounds? or would it go through the door not being a full metal jacket?

    Thanks! -Darkwolf
  2. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    i'd go with a light only if it were me. a laser can be effective but it is a bigger distraction then anything else for a new shooter or someone not trained to use it properly. just because the lights are left one doesnt mean that the power wont go out at the wrong time.

    a couch wont stop a bullet of any type. a hollow point would be unaffected by a couch and anyone that has any sense wouldnt take cover behind one.

    fmj would make it through the door, hollowpoints might too, but not as guaranteed. but no matter where you're at you absolutely do not shoot through the door the cops will arrest you if you do. the best bet is to stand or set back from the door as far as possible and then shoot the bad guy after he enters your house

    depending on the state you live in you're subject to laws that govern when you can and cannot defend your house and yourself. in some states you cannot defend yourself unless you're cornered. in some states you can shoot someone in your house regardless

  3. woolleyworm

    woolleyworm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2009
    SW Fort Worth
    That was my question also, what state do you call home, DW ?

    worthy advice on the door, always be certain of your target. There are certain scenarios where I would fire through a door, but it would be very very few and I would have to be certain that what ever is on the other side is for 100% certain a credible threat.
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2010
  4. Think twice before you fire through a door without knowing what or who is behind
    that door. Once when I was a kid in High School, I was sitting home alone one
    night and I heard a scratching at my front door. I got my 25/20 Winchester out
    of the closet loaded it and sat down facing the door. The scratching continued.
    Just as I got ready to empty a magazine into the door, I heard my best friend's
    voice saying hey Zeke it's me. Don't shoot through closed doors if you can help it.
  5. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    while you might be scared, you really are at no threat to someone on the other side of the door.
  6. darkwolf210

    darkwolf210 New Member

    Oct 24, 2010
    I live in texas, for those who were wondering, and I didnt know there was legalities behind it, however bad guys dont care in the first place and they might shoot through MY door first. My only real option is to wait for them to slowly open my door, ID them, and THEN shoot them through the door or wait for them to fully open it?

    (I also live with no family, with mostly brick exterior)
  7. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    i dont know the laws for texas. but i am pretty sure you cannot legally shoot them until they are posing a severe threat to you. such as forcible entry into your house, or shooting through your door.

    its doubtful that they would try shooting through the door however. unless perhaps the mob has a hit on your or something

    you cannot carry your gun in texas without a license to conceal. and there is no open carry. im in kentucky and here i can carry openly without a license, and concealed with a license issued by the state police
  8. Regular Joe

    Regular Joe New Member

    Sep 28, 2010
    You left out the best option, which is night sights. These things use tritium inserts to make the dots on the sights glow. Without that, something like a streamlight attached to the gun is pretty much a waste. You have to be able to see the sights. Just try to aim at something some time when the target is well lighted, but the gun is in the dark. It doesn't work.
    As for penetration... You can read the promotional crapola for any bullet, and buy into it if you want to, but the truth is that just about all of the premium HP's perform just about the same. Have a close look here:
    My choice is the Remington 124 gr. Golden Saber.
    In the left side column, you can choose any other caliber, and see what they do. For self defense, the 9mm is as effective as any other pistol caliber. Shot placement is the whole "trick".
    The more you read and learn, the more convinced you will be that the Glock 17 was the right choice. I have one, and a 19, and I can't say which I like better.
    You seem to be pretty new to this, so it may be well to warn you about lead bullets. Don't shoot them. Glocks have polygonal rifling. When jacketed bullets are fired behind lead, the lead fouling serves as an obstruction, and bad things happen. It is OK to use copper plated bullets. You certainly should shoot the gun often, and enough to be proficient at delivering accurate fire to your intended target. Winchester "white box" ammo (in the 100 pack) is still cheap enough to make that affordable. You need to be familiar enough with the gun to just know what you're doing, so you can keep your attention on the situation at hand.
    Just in case you have any doubts about your Glock, read this:
    There has never been a more durable, reliable firearm produced by anyone.
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2010
  9. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    i disagree with you joe. i think a flashlight either on the gun or in hand is a far better upgrade then night sights. while night sights are neat, they are not a necessity. Identifying your target however is.

    when an intruder is standing in the doorway night sights might help you to point the gun at the intruder. where as a flashlight would help you identify the intruder as a threat or, as a friendly. perhaps a fireman coming to pull you from a smoking building.

    while night sights are an advantage, at the distances most self defense situations occur, and at the speed at which they occur, you rarely use the sights
  10. Boris

    Boris Former Guest

    Oct 1, 2010

    Great post. If you have a bright light on your target not only will you identify your target, Your sights will cast a shadow onto your eye. You will see them perfectly.

    I have a front nightsight on my housegun and it gives me an idea where my muzzle is pointing when I aint looking at it. They are great tools but do not be fooled into thinking nightsights will be all you need.

    Taken from the NRA shooting rules
    Nightsights will never ID your target for you. A violation of the most important rule. Remember, even in a defensive shoot situation you can NOT ignore the rules of safety.

    After my last tour I decided to get a laser for my house gun. Not for ninja status or because it is kool. I know for a fact I did NOT shoot atleast 7 people because I had a red visible laser on my rifle. When you blast someone in the face with a laser it will stop them in their tracks (most of the time), and yes it is easier than you think to blind someone with it.

    We all need to get what we feel is best for our defense setup. Nightsights are a good idea, a light is even better. A laser is not needed, I just like what it can do ontop of being able to shoot from odd positions easier. My Unimax by lasermax also has a rail for me to put a light on under it if I feel like it. As of now though I use a handheld. I will get a light to stack on the laser someday and I will have all 3, why not! The more tools I have to do my job the better.......
  11. 312shooter

    312shooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    Las Vegas NV
    One perspective concerning a light is that it also offers great signature - for the bad guy. Even the most blinding light is still tolerable for a few seconds to get a few shots off and what better target can you offer him than the light source stemming from your center mass and worse yet your face. Unless you absolutely get the drop on him a light can be a bad option, especially if they get around to shooting back.
  12. Boris

    Boris Former Guest

    Oct 1, 2010
    Another perspective is launching bullets into the dark. Proper tactics will negate any con of a light of proper brightness. It will also PID your target.

    I use a handheld 85 lumen LED light to eliminate the COM threat. I have seen first hand what a person does numerous times with that exact light. Not a single one of them got a single round off at me. I got PID, I blinded and delayed any threatening action against me. A bright light works, no two ways around it from my experience.

    Number one safety rule is know your target and what is beyond. Lasers, nightsights, hopes, prayers, nothing else will PID what you might be pointing a deadly weapon at in the dark better than a light. It keeps you in compliance with the number one rule. Know your target and what is beyond it.

    Just stand there and let them recover while you use no cover yourself and yes, a light will be the worst tool you could have. Just like learning basic shooting skills. You need to use basic tactics with every tool you have available........
  13. Regular Joe

    Regular Joe New Member

    Sep 28, 2010
    I've thought about a light, but giving the bad guy a target really turns me off. I assume that this is a "SELF DEFENSE" situation, and something has already happened to make it clear to me who the bad guy is, and that he needs to be shot.
    There are pros and cons for different situations, and it's very hard to know what to be prepared for. In the latest Cheaper than dirt catalog, I see a combined light/laser from streamlight for $230. Could be good.
    The thing with night sights is that you can see in very low light anyway, and they don't betray your position like a light or laser.
    Maybe the most fun would be to have several little audio devices around the house that are activated by motion sensitive things. When they're tripped, they play the sound of a racking shotgun, and yell out "Freeze, dirtbag!".
    More cool audio fun would be to have something in the front and back yard that plays police radio chatter.
    As it is, my 17 has nothing in it but boolits, with lotsa' spare 33 round mags.
  14. jacksonco

    jacksonco New Member

    My shotgun is ready to go. If I am racking it my position and advantage over the bg could be comprimised.
  15. Boris

    Boris Former Guest

    Oct 1, 2010
    Regular joe, you are right that night sights can help you see your sights in very low light. If you stick with one style of pistol long enough it will point like your finger someday. You should practice until this becomes first nature to you. At that point nightsights will no longer be needed, the cast will be off and crutches will be useless to you.

    Wanna betray your position? How about muzzle flashes and loud booms from your gun as a betrayal as you fire away into the dark and never connect because all you can see is your sights. I have seen more than one muzzle flash give a position away. Trust me on this one, their day did not end well.

    By all means do what you feel is best for you. Just remember that as soon as you start flinging lead all bets are off. You just gaveup your position. The best way to end it is to put rounds where they need to go. To do that you need to see the target and your sights. A light will ID the target and allow you to see your sights. Nightsights will only allow you to see your sights. Muzzle flashes will blind you and give your position away. Not a good spot to be in if all you can see is some dim glowing sights.

    If you do not want a light on your gun then maybe some remote light switches would be good for you. Turn the lights on in the rooms you hear noise from as you hide in the darkness. Whatever you do, PID your target before blasting away. I am sure if you get enough rounds off you might connect, but hopefully before they do.........

    edit: my shotgun is also ready to go. If they get close enough all they will hear is the safety clicking off before they see one last huge fireball.......
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2010
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