Tactical Vest

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by 45nut, Jul 12, 2009.

  1. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

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    Jeeez I dunno Cav.

    I'm with USMC. Once I retire I ain't strapping on anything. If it looks like 20 pounds it's getting bungeed to the back of my quad:D:D:D

    Every year over 30 yrs old adds 1 extra pound to how heavy it feels, an extra minute to every mile to run over 4 miles, 1 extra degree to the heat or minus one for every degree in the cold. I hate to think what it's like over 40 yrs old...that's why this dude will be a Mr. by then, and the heaviest thing you'll catch me carrying is a 1 liter coffee mug.;):D:D
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    Turn 53 in about four months, still toss on the old mountaineering frame kelty
    with a bristle cone bag. 40 to 60 lbs. Can't do the max anymore, got this one vertebra...
    Had it for close to 30 years, most i ever had on it was 95 lbs.
  3. 1 CAV

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    LOL, Careful Delta, I used to say the same thing. I lasted about four or five years too. But ultimately, I found myself putting on a pack again, taking hikes, buying my own gear and weapons. Try as you might, you just won't get it out of your blood. By now it's not what you do, it's what you are.


    By the way, you're going to find that most civilians who have never served their country in any fashion are annoying as hell. You won't like them. Trust me.



    And, on a sad note, Shifty Powers has died. God Bless you Shifty.
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    You Sir are an inspiration.
  5. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

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    Yeah, probably so. It's always a matter of time before that sound in the wind starts calling you to stay a few nights.

    I've learned to be patient with some of those who haven't served, but then again I have limited contact with most, in whatever capacity. The best policy for me is to just totally avoid conversations that may get annoying for myself...that way they get annoyed, think I'm a jerk, and don't bring it up anymore.

    Recently, I had an ethics professor question my version of how the Army does urinalysis. She just couldn't grasp that there is a totally different world outside of business and education; one that doesn't waste much effort on how you "feel" about doing what you're told to do, even if it isn't necessarily comfortable or necessarily normal. Oh well.


    Shifty...sad for sure.
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    That's one of the "nice" things about serving in Israel.......everybody serves, or has served in the IDF ;) (not that there aren't plenty of annoying people there anyway :rolleyes:)

    By the way, check out Kifaru, they are tough to beat.
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  7. USMC-03

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    Oh, I do every now and again, when I have time anyway. And I do remember how it was if I try to sleep someplace other than my bed; there was a time when I was so used to racking out on the ground that beds weren't comfortable and often ended up on the floor with a blanket. If I did that now my back would ache for a week.

    You're my kind of guy, Delta; except I'll have an old flat fender jeep instead of a quad… And trust me, after 40 it just gets worse; I still have the edge over most guys my age and a lot that are younger, but there is no way I'm keeping up with 20 year olds on a run or hump anymore.

    I once had a management professor who started railing against how the military trained it's people; breaking down recruits just to build them up again was a waste of time and damaged self esteem, bad for morale, blah, blah. It turned out that along with me there was a retired Navy chief and I think three other former military. He got a bit of an ear full…

    I've looked at the Kifaru web site before; they have some pretty good stuff. I like Multi-Cam and they offer gear in that pattern.
  8. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

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    They (like the professor you mention) just can not realize how much valuable time, effort and personal sacrifice it takes from the cadre to work out 18 years worth of self-centered, pop-culture, spoon fed, self-delusional, spoiled, pampered civilian bullcrap from 240 recruits every 10 or 15 weeks (BCT vs OSUT). And once you get them good to go, they graduate and 4 days later you begin again, indoctrinating worthless attitudes into problem-solving weapons that do not know what quit looks like.

    Even going through as a private, you have no idea how much it takes from your cadre. Many NCO's lose their marriage in that duty....it is non-stop relentless...no holiday is sacred for 2 years every day...or 3 if you opt for it.

    I was a DS for 36 months, 2 weeks, and 2 days. Believe me....nobody...nobody...would expend the amount of work that that takes if it was not vitally necessary to create success.

    I'd encourage that professor to go and show us how he'd turn stupid marshmallows into warriors capable of critical thinking under exhaustion and distress. He probably wouldn't know what victory looks like if it humped him in the mouth. :p


    About annoying people. They're everywhere. Military has plenty...no exception...but hey, somebody loves them, ya know how it is. As long as they can work effectively in a team...

    I know or knew civilians that never served but I respect very much. They worked just as long and hard and had as much to teach as anyone else, they just took different roads, if you will. There's just a few things I realize they'll never understand and as long as I never be the one to try and articulate to them then I'll never be frustrated.
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  9. USMC-03

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    I'm with you, Delta. The drill field was one of my options way back when but it just didn't appeal to me and ended up leaving active duty for the reserve. That's a very tough job and I'm impressed you stuck to it that long. I would have gone back to the fleet at the earliest reasonable time.

    The professor I mentioned was actually a pretty good one, just something of a yuppie with some off base ideas. I actually had a surprising number that were former military of one branch or another. One was an Army drill sergeant, another a Navy pilot, a Marine F4 ordinance tech. It's going to be interesting to see what I run into in grad school.

    There was a story I read some time ago, don't remember where, a about a Viet Nam vet who applied for a law school in the late 70's and later was a practicing attorney. When the admissions board looked over his application and got to the part about his military awards, they were reluctant to accept him because ha may have done something violent to earn all those medals. The head of the department, an older gentleman, piped up and said that he hoped so; otherwise they really wouldn't mean much. The younger members of the board were horrified, but then they apparently never knew this gentleman was a combat vet from WW2.

    You're right too, there are things that those who have never served will never really get, but as long as they understand that freedom is fought for and support the military, good enough.
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    I really liked that.

    Those board members, I feel sorry for their women.
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    My #2 son was a DS for the Army. It is such a demanding job. My sons' Philapino wife came through it with flying colors despite having no family contact with the US military prior to marying my son. She is a remarkable woman. Serving in uniform gives most people a vastly different perception of the world than those who have never served, more so for those who have seen combat. There is beginning to be such a disconnect from the realities of the world by those who have never been in the military that I fear that we may all be in for a real bad awakening. Our misleaders are the tail wagging the dog.
  12. Pistol Liberty

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    If valiant warriors ever get to the place where you despise the citizenry you've fought and sacrificed for, this country is doomed. Some of us may have had the better part of ourselves run down our momma's leg while she was in some drunken stupor at a party or in the back of the Chevy but, I believe most us who have never served in uniform still deserve, and HONOR, the work of our American warriors.

    My draft number was too high in 1971 to be called. I never called any returning Vietnam vet a baby killer. I've seen the 1000 yard stare in men's eyes. I've been humbled by what circumstance has done to men who served with and without choice. I've worked alongside several Vietnam vets burdened by their damaged souls. I still do.

    My honor and duty as a US citizen is that I have striven to buy American every chance I get. I drive substantially American-made vehicles with American names on them. I vote in every election. I encourage others to vote. I, and my family, were/are worth defending. And I thank you, for whatever that may be worth to you, for working for me and mine, or some higher ideal of what America should be, in your minds.

    We are not garbage.
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