target shooting with a .22

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  1. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

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    guess you can say remington puts their name on good rifles, notsomuch for good .22 ammo;)
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    josh you're just showing off with that purdy rifle. pretty sweet
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    Regarding ammo; after reading this thread I went to the gunsafe and looked to see what I had.....a brick of Remington Target is what I have. Is this stuff as useless as the Thunderbolt?
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    Ive never tried the Remington Targets, but with my experiance with the Thunderbolts, the ONLY remington ammo I will shoot is "centerfire" ammo.
    I still have some thunderbolts left in the gun safe from years ago (the last time I fired them) and is FREE to anyone that will please take them off my hands...I'll take that back, I wouldnt shoot them through any gun I have and wouldnt recommend them to anyone else...they are about the most crapiest excuse for ammo I have ever seen, I wouldnt even go as far as to call them .22 ammo.....:eek:
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    As I think Byron "Furgeson (?)" might say..."Eeeewww, hurting a perfectly good target that way".....:D
    That's some good shooting!:)
  6. JLA

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    I do like that rifle
  7. Old Grump

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    [​IMG]A Caldwell dead shot bag is real nice for holding the barrel steady to minimize the horizontal stringing. Part of the problem is with your iron sights if you are using the traditional bead and notch sight. A search for aperture sights for your rifle will help considerably. Changing the front sight for a post sight is a good idea too because then you can have more control over where you want the shot to go. The bead on a 100 meter target will put you all over the place just because it's so big it obscures your target. At 50 meters you should be shooting about the same size groups as you do with the scope.

    For general plinking I just use the Remington Golden Bullet in the boxes of 100, I find them more consistent than the bulk pack Golden Bullets. For competition level shooting at 100 yards I switch to Winchester Super X because they work well in my gun. Your gun may disagree, every time you go to your favorite toy store buy a different brand and when you shoot them take notes. That's how I found out what works best in my guns. The Thunderbolts will keep you on target alright but I prefer 40 gr bullets for anything over 60 yards because they maintain their velocity and accuracy better against the wind.

    I also tried some experiments where I just grabbed a handful of miscellaneous bullets and tossed them in a plastic baggie then loaded them without regard for what brand weight or bullet style they were. At 25 meters and to a lesser extent at 50 meters there wasn't a lot of difference between one and the other. To much over thinking about ammunition. Most of our guns and most of the ammo will shoot better than we will till you get down to serious bulls eye shooting.
  8. Esteban

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    Like I said, it was many years ago, but I do remember that I was shooting CCI Mini Mags.
  9. GunHugger

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    Sorry Old Grump...I have to disagree on ammo.


    Jackman,

    22's can be very picky about the ammo they like. Years ago I tested all of my 22's with all the different 22 ammo that I could find.

    My testing showed a few things of interest. All (about 12 at the time) of my rifles shot certain ammo real well and shot terrible with other ammo. They all did poorly accuracy wise with the Hi velocity stuff like Thunderbolts. They all liked certain standard and target ammo, but they had had their favorites that they shot their best groups with. One exception was my 1939 Remington 513T, it shot almost any ammo good. And the oddest thing was the two Remington 541T's each liked different ammo. ???

    The only way to get the most accuracy is to buy a box of all the 22 ammo that you can find and shoot it. Your rifle will show you what it likes.

    As far as your son and his shooting...

    Forget the 100 yard range for now. Start him close, 25 yards is a good distance to start a new shooter. Let him master the 25 yard range first then move to 50 yards. There's a lot of info online about proper shooting setup and techniques. Have him read and study that a bit too, it will help. Breathing, grip, trigger release, sight picture and so on.

    It takes time and practice. I shot for my high school rifle team back in the early '70's and that was a real help for me, I learned a lot. Shooting all the positions and not just from a bench is a good thing. Too bad that is a thing of the past.

    And don't worry about cleaning the bore a lot, my 22's shoot best dirty. I clean mine only when their accuracy falls off and that can be after many thousands of rounds. Then it takes some fouling for it to come back. I used to have a hard time with this because I like all of my guns clean inside and out.

    I think you are correct for having him use open sights first. Too many today start with a scope and never master open sights. My dad taught me with open sights and a single shot, but good rimfire scopes were rare back then. The single shot taught me to be accurate when we went hunting. My brother bought his son a 1022 with a scope, that kid is a terrible shot and depends too much on blasting away...and still misses.:D

    I taught my daughter to shoot and really enjoy watching her outshoot her husband when we go shooting. But he doesn't enjoy that very much.;)

    Good luck, and enjoy your time with your son...they grow up real fast.

    Here's what a good 22 rifle with ammo it likes can do at 50 yards. It will shoot almost as well at 100 but I don't have any pictures, just this target when I added the scope and zeroed it in at 50. The bottom two are sight in, top two were shot last. It likes Wolf MT ammo.

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  10. JLA

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    sweet stock!
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    What disagreement? I said and I quote:
    Some guns will shoot anything, some are picky. My old 46 year old Savage doesn't care what I put in it, My Marlin 60 is a bit fussier and my (2) 10/22's are real fussy. I have a notebook I bought when I bought my first match 10/22 because my old standby, standard velocity Remington just weren't competitive and I ended up spending over $1,000 finding the best bullets for it. Lo and behold the best bullets were not the most expensive ones so my suggestion to try a different brand or type every time he gets ammo till he finds what his gun likes. At 25 meters it doesn't make a lot of difference. At 50 quality shows up and at 100 meters it shows up a lot.

    For close in plinking, 50' to 50 meters anything the gun will shoot and eject reliably will work. Instead of sweating ammo choice I would buy small bore targets and reduced targets. By the time he gets to making one hole groups at 25 meters he will pretty well know what ammo his gun likes and then he just keeps moving those targets back. Nothing happens overnight.
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    I was referring to this, but now see that we pretty much agree after all.

  13. Regular Joe

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    I agree with that as well. In all of my time consuming tests, I've found that some ammo shoots better than the rest, but @ 50 yards, all of the HV stuff pretty much goes into the same 1.5" or so.
    For getting a new shooter thru his first case of ammo, I think the real test is consistency. His interest and confidence stay high when each round is shooting very much like the previous one. Next most important is price. You don't want to call an end to the days' shoot because we ran out of hi-dollar fodder. CCI Blazer works better than Thunderbolt in anything I've seen firing both, and the cost is about the same. Another good cheapie is Federal Champion, in the 50 round box. Federal puts a load number on all of their stuff, and this one is "510" or the numbers "510" with a suffix letter.
    50 yards is challenging enough for a new shooter. With iron sights, 75 really is a bit of a push, because after that, drop becomes much more obvious. I hope you're not just limited to paper(?) Shooting cheap HP's at things like key limes and small russet potatoes is a blast, or try ".22 golf", if you have a source of free used balls. Ice cubes. Ping pong balls. Get creative.
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