Taurus PT 1911 not legal in california???

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  1. ns3v3n

    ns3v3n New Member

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    I called my gun store and they said the PT 1911 is not legal in california? HOW CAN GOD BE SO CRUEL?
  2. ns3v3n

    ns3v3n New Member

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    damnit just my luck, i guess starting Jan 1st, 2007, centerfire handguns must have both loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect mechanism. just as i wanted one of these pistol...
  3. Sad to say, the only solution to the problems for gun owners in California is to get out of California! I did that nearly 12 years ago and I haven't looked back. It was getting bad when I left, but I understand it is much worse now.
  4. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

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    I saw one at the gun show last weekend in Orange County, CA. I wonder if it was really for sale?

    Here's the law that pertains:

    "12126. As used in this chapter, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, for which any of the following is true: ..............

    (b) For a pistol: ......................

    (5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center-fire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.

    (6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a detachable magazine."

    Taurus dropped the ball. They did not get the 1911 on the safety tested list before the end of 2006. If they had they could have at least sold them until the certification ran out which is several years.

    All this means NO 1911's for Californians. Since this is the hottest gun today and no one apparently is addressing meeting the law, Californians will not be able to own the best and hottest pistol on the market today.

    What to do, Californians? Buy every 1911 that is still on the list NOW. Don't wait because all will eventually fall off the list and NONE will be available. Since apparently no manufacturer is bothering to incorporate these changes for California, my guess is that the industry has given up on pistol sales in California, at least the 1911 companies.

    I wonder what it is going to take to get my fellow Californians "up in arms", so to speak, about this liberal effort to stop gun sales in California. A few years ago the gun control freaks announced a small bite approach at eliminating guns and that is exactly what they are doing in California.

    WAKE UP CALIFORNIANS!! GUN ELIMINATION IS WORKING IN CALIFORNIA!!
  5. Silver72

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    Man, that's ti pits! I picked up a used one, case, two mags and the owner's manual for $400 out the door at a gun show two weeks ago. Upper right in this pick.

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  6. ironsight65

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    God is not cruel, but he did play a rather sadistic prank when creating
    the morons that are in charge in Kalifornia.

    My advice. Move as fast and as far away as possible.

    :D
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    Bruce FLinch New Member

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    Nice collection, Silver!

    There are still nice 1911's for sale in Kal. You'll just have to spend more $$:(
  8. ns3v3n

    ns3v3n New Member

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    silver, you lucky bastard, if you ever want to sell that gun. give me a holla! lol btw where are the gun show located?
  9. JohnK3

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    Friend of mine has relatives out in Las Vegas. He tells me that a LOT of folks out that way that need to work in Kalifornia live in Nevada or some other, less Kommunist state and either commute to Kalifornia or telecommute.
  10. Silver72

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    This show was just 36 miles up I-35 in Belton, Texas. Close to Ft. Hood so lots of G.I.s come. Two dealers had new blue Tarurus 1911 guns @ $499.98+tax.
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    Does anyone know if Springfield is still available in CA?
    What about RIA or SAM?
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    LDBennett Well-Known Member

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    Any gun on the list stays on the list until its certification expires. Check the list for any gun you may want and note the expiration date of the certification. After the certification runs out no 1911 as now configured will be able to be put back on the list. It will need a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine safety. So buy NOW!

    http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

    LDBennett
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    screw california, it is a retarded state with retarded people running it, and not enough citizens with balls to put a stop to the bs
  14. Silver72

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    Saw one on the AR-15 forum FS @ $400 with 300 rounds fired and a bent front sight. Didn't last much after posting until "I'll take It" and WHAM! it was gone.
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    Here's a better picture for the Kalifornia people,,,,,eat your heart out!

    Really looks used!

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    Silver72:

    You are so cruel !!!!!!!

    I must hide my eyes to your picture!

    LDBennett
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    Funny, kinda, as it is a Typical Texas Pistol!
    Geography is, if not everything, damned close!
    My next door neighbor knows, and well, that I am a 'gun person', and his only question, this year, was "How many, now?", to which, I responded, "141", which calmed him, a bit. "Cutting down?", his response, to which the reply, " No, just nothing at the show, I needed, this week", laid it away.
    30 years ago, I lived there; wonderful climate, semi reasonable laws; they went west, as I went east, and I lost nothing, in the deal!
    The time will never be better, to evacuate!
  18. Mosin_Nagant_Fan

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    Someone translate that, please. I can't understand bullsh*t.
  19. LDBennett

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    Every handgun model sold by a dealer in CA has to have passed the CA safety testing program or be older than 50 years. The manufacturer must submit three guns that will be taken to destruction, pay about $2000, for every model of the same firearm and each must pass the safety test. That gives certification for a couple of years at which time the manufactuer pays more to continue the certification if the rules have not changed such that the handgun would fail (and they did this year, 1/1/07).

    Handguns sold by private parties or through a dealer on consignment are exempt from safety test certification but must be transfered in ownership through a CA dealer (by DROS).

    So new handguns must be on the certified list. Used handguns must either be on the certified list or if not, can only be purchased from private parties (consignment to a dealer is a private party sale). This means older used handguns never tested can not be sold by dealers and only sold by private parties.

    As with anything else gun related, they keep changing the rules and all handguns after 1/1/07 must include a loaded cartridge indicator and a magazine safety (gun cannot fire unless magazine is installed and seated properly). That eliminates about half the handguns in the market place including all existing 1911's.

    Is that clear enough? Your tax dollars at work for your safety!

    See list below and note the expiration date after which the new regulation for loaded cartridge indicator and mag safety are required.

    http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/


    LDBennett
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  20. Silver72

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    Those regulations are preventing manufactures from slowly pulling out of the market. It's to expensive. But, that's the object of the regulations.

    Next it will not be profitable for the dealers to keep their doors open. Maybe the next earthquake will break the big K off and it will fall in the ocean
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