The Aussie experience of gun control

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by jack404, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Australian Gun Ban Proved Disastrous

    Dr. Miguel Faria
    Monday, June 26, 2000

    Last August, the rugged Aussie survivalist whose real-life exploits inspired the "Crocodile Dundee" movies died in what then appeared to be a mysterious shootout with Australian police. A police sergeant was also killed in the incident.

    It was reported that 44-year-old blond-haired Rodney William Ansell resembled uncannily Paul Hogan, the actor who played his part in the movie and the sequel. Although Ansell was no angel and had had previous run-ins with police, he had been named 1988 Australian Northern Territory Man of the Year for inspiring the movie and putting "the Australian Outback on the map."

    What motivated this shooting? In 1996, Australia adopted draconian gun control laws banning certain guns (60 percent of all firearms), requiring registration of all firearms and licensing of all gun owners. "Crocodile Dundee" believed the police were coming to confiscate his unregistered firearms.

    In Australia today, police can enter your house and search for guns, copy the hard drive of your computer, seize records, and do it all without a search warrant. It's the law that police can go door to door searching for weapons that have not been surrendered in their much publicized gun buy-back program. They have been using previous registration and firearm license lists to check for lapses and confiscate non-surrendered firearms.

    It all began with the Port Arthur (a Tasmanian resort) tragedy on April 28, 1996, when a crazed assailant opened fire and shot 35 people. Australians were shocked, and the government reacted quickly.

    Draconian gun legislation was passed in the heat of the moment because the fate of the nation was determined by a handful of statist socialists who find individual freedom abhorrent. Consider the politics: There are three major parties in Australian politics: the center right (Liberal Party), the socialist camp (Labor Party) and the ultra-left (Australian Democratic Party) * this last one easily tilted the balance of power toward stringent gun control at the expense of freedom. Moreover, to add insult to injury, Australia has had to toe the party line of the United Nations on environmental issues, land/property rights, and now, gun control as well.

    As a result of stringent gun laws (really a ban on firearms) in Australia, all semiautomatic firearms (rifles and handguns) are proscribed, including .22-caliber rabbit guns and duck-hunting Remington shotguns.

    Writing in The Gun Owners (Jan. 31, 2000), the newsletter for Gun Owners of America (GOA), former California State Senator H.L. Richardson notes: "They outlawed every semi-auto, even those pretty duck guns, the Browning A5 and the Remington 1100s. They even struck down pump shotguns: the Winchester model 12 and the Remington 870...Do you own a Browning BAR rifle? Banned. How about a Winchester Model 100? Out of luck, all semi-auto hunting rifles were outlawed as well. They didn1t miss a one."

    Be that as it may, at a cost of $500 million, out of an estimated 7 million firearms (of which 2.8 million were prohibited), only 640,000 guns were surrendered to police. What has been the result? Same as in England. Like in Great Britain, crime Down Under has escalated.

    Twelve months after the law was implemented in 1997, there has been a 44 percent increase in armed robberies, an 8.6 percent increase in aggravated assaults, and a 3.2 percent increase in homicides. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent.

    Two years after the ban, there have been further increases in crime: armed robberies by 73 percent; unarmed robberies by 28 percent; kidnappings by 38 percent; assaults by 17 percent; manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

    And consider the fact that over the previous 25-year period, Australia had shown a steady decrease both in homicide with firearms and armed robbery * until the ban.

    Australia, a semi-arid, isolated continent and a vast nation-state, in many ways parallels the history of the United States. In the 1850s and 1860s, it had gold rushes and pioneering settlers, reminiscent of our own western migration.

    In World War I and World War II, it fought with the allies. Australia remained a subject of Great British until 1986, when the last ties with the British crown were dissolved.

    With only 19 million people, Australia has an impressive fauna that includes plenty of varmints, marsupials, dingoes (that wreak havoc on livestock), as well as large rats and other rodents. Yet, hunting has become prohibitively difficult for all but a handful of Australians with private lands and the usual connections. Now, the ban on firearms and the disarmament of ordinary Australians has left criminals free to roam the countryside as they please.

    Bandits, of course, kept their guns. Like in America, only the law-abiding, by definition, obey the law. Yet, the leftist Australian government has responded by passing more laws; in 1998 Bowie knives and other knives and items including handcuffs were banned.

    Licensing is difficult. Self and family protection is not considered a valid reason to own a firearm. The right to self-defense, like in Great Britain and Canada, is not recognized in Australia. Like Americans, Australians loved and possessed firearms * that is, until the ban. Freedom has been extinguished. A way of life has ended. Please, don't tell me it cannot happen here!

    Dr. Miguel A. Faria Jr. is a physician and editor in chief of the Medical Sentinel of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).

    OK, now its 2010

    Shootings are up a unlisted ammount now as they do not quote these fugures any more.

    But we do know a few statistics

    Home invasions ( armed people come into your house and do what they want)
    is a new crime and running about 1800 cases per year and growing by 17% PA

    Confiscations are running at 41,000 weapons a year mainly from domestic violence cases, the weapons in this statistic are not those used but are the property of someone either reported as a victim or thier spouse or partner,

    again these weapons taken where not used.

    Recently when confronted by a armed drug gang of islamic pursuation the only police responce was to ask me for my guns, ( which where not stored at my premises) while they did not even attend he home of the jihadi dope dealers as they only had my word on it.

    This is gun control today.

    It is far easier to disarm lawful people than to go after criminals and remember this is the same in the UK and other places where UN influenced gun control takes hold.

    You are defenceless and reliant on police, but the police say they cannot do anything to protect you if you call, they can only act after you have been shot, attacked, bashed etc.

    A mate here got 5 years for a illegal weapon ( air rifle ) that was found in his grandfathers effects, because it was not listed on the police register, but as the executor of the will was lawfully responcible for it even though he did not know about it.

    the other side of it is, a drive by shooter with 183 prior charges of break /enter/theft, drugs in possion and dealing, rape, extortion, arson ( he burned a whitness's house to the ground) was released on appeal after serving only 1 year in jail as it was too hard on him and did not allow him his religous freedoms. Its a disgusting situation.

    He went on to kill a family whilst high on drugs in a car crash of his fault, and is currently receiving top class health care, whilst veterans must fight for basic services.

    Thats gun control now.

    It's crazy.
    It's wrong.

    But its a fact.

    And its on the agenda for the USA.

    Anyone who talks about protecting you by taking your guns away or limiting what guns you may have is a idiot or evil.

    Shoot these creatures on sight.

    Sue them for attempting to subvert and deny you your second amendment rights.

    Sue any poltician who promotes this junk in the same manner.

    When they take guns, they only get the lawfull ones and only lock up lawfull owners, because they wont chase the illegal ones as they cant as they dont know where they are.

    But they know where you are.

    Take care

    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  2. Suwannee Tim

    Suwannee Tim New Member

    Feb 11, 2009
    Hi Jack. I'm Suwannee Tim, the spelling, capitalization and punctuation Nazi. I don't read text that is not properly capitalized, punctuated and correctly spelled. I don't require perfection, I don't quibble over a few errors or even a lot of errors provided the writer makes an effort. For a writer to devote a bit of time to such things shows respect for the reader. To fail to devote a bit of time to it shows a lack of respect for the reader. I make exceptions for the afflicted, both mentally and physically afflicted. C'mon Jack, if I can do it, you can!

  3. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA
    Hi Jack, I will judge your writing by the content of your message, rather than the mistakes in your grammer.

    Continue your messages. You were there when we (as a nation) needed you, and I for one am greatly obliged to listen to you.
  4. So what you're saying is that when guns are banned, then crime goes up? you mean our politicians are LYING to us?!:eek::eek: Say it ain't so!!!:eek::eek::p:p:D:D

    You see the same type of statistics from the liberal areas here in the US. The cities and states that have the most restrictive gun laws just happen to be the same ones with the highest crime rates. I'm sure it must be just a coincidence. Oh wait, I don't believe in coincidence. Meanwhile, in Charlotte, NC, the crime rate has been dropping over the past year. The new police chief is saying that it's due to his new policies of new patrol methods and procedures, so I guess the record numbers of gun sales, and applications for Concealed Handgun Permits has absolutely nothing to do with it:rolleyes:
  5. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Suwannee Tim

    OK,fair enough, but i'll ask you dont suggest what i respect or dont respect

    Blanket observatons like that, to myself, is a sign of ignorance, or worse,
    but will correct my post and watch my future ones

    We all have our foibles ;)

    Mainly it comes from the laptop i use where the keyboard is too bloody small and so have gotten lazy in trying to do as suggested but will comply even if i have to replace my two digits with pencils that will fit the keys better.

    Larger posts i generally write on a regular machine that is not internet connected and copy across via USB key , but i had the advantage of inbuilt spell check on that instead of my 10" one i cart with me when i travel as i am doing at the moment, ( south of Sydney hunting deer today but its awful wet, so reading and posting here in a cave overlooking a vally, rather than stalking)

    cheers eh


    PS please note i always sign my own name small "j" biut will always capitalise others names.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  6. Suwannee Tim

    Suwannee Tim New Member

    Feb 11, 2009
    Don't listen to him, he doesn't know nothin about nothin.:D

    I don't correct grammar and spelling, I just don't read it if no effort is made. I'm not the only one. Like I said, if I can learn to do it, you can learn to do it.

    It is grammar Red, not grammer.:D
  7. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    corrected ;)

    gram´mer (grăm´mẽr)
    n. 1. Grammar; - a common misspelling.

    Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co.

    This is a US dictonary of 1913 but your influence has pushed Grammar as being accepted with the exception of the UK and Australia where the traditional use still exists ( since 1592) the 1937 Websters states Grammar but only in the US.

    US spelling is different from English

    Color = US

    Colour = English

    lots more like this
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  8. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA
    Sorry Tim. I will try to use grammar, when I address you. Ever heard the phrase, 'can't see the forest for the trees'?

    There are many people who are very smart, who occasionally misspell words, as I do. But, I have never met a perfect human.
  9. bntyhntr6975

    bntyhntr6975 Member

    May 5, 2009
    Wichita, Ks.
    I kin reed n undastand most stuffs to but i isnt a reeul shmart feller i gess. As long as it's not e-bonics, I can follow it AND tolerate it. Unless, of course its real bad. Punctuation is more my pet peeve, as I an more tolerable of "proper" grammar or spelling. Anyway, I had no problems following the OP. We need to be constantly reminded of the fact that it could happen here. Thanks Jack.
  10. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    To quote LBJ,

    "Australia and America

    a people divided by a common language."
  11. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    Ignore the background noise, Jack -
    Keep 'em coming!
  12. Big ugly

    Big ugly New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Spelling Nazi Tim. I bet it just drives you insane to read my posts then. Guess what? Now it is only Going to get worse. I love you tim, you make me feel warm and fuzzy all over. Hugs and Kisses

    On a more solid note. Jack, Educate some of we little people here the events leading up to the gun controll in Austrailia. I would like to take a comparision to what has been goin on over here.
  13. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Big Ugly

    I wish i knew more, i was in Cambodia when 90% of it went down, just mopping up,but when it comes to hard core clowns you gotta get em all otherwise they grow in numbers again..

    Anyway, before Johnny Howard became PM here he had a heap of US lobbyists help him prepare policy,

    the same firm that Bo Bo was working for, i dunno if the boy faced dog was involved, but the same firm alright.

    Funny thing is the same firm did the consults for the Brits too, and both nations went the same way. I'll elaborate.

    Then when Howard was elected all his promises started to dissappear and he became controlling.

    We had a nutter, well known to the cops as a nutter, on medication etc,

    He had broken the action of the rifle used and took it to the local gunsmith

    The gunsmith refused to give the gun back and called police and as part of the gun laws then, peer revue ( if somone like a shooting club official or a gunsmith reported you , you could be barred from owning a weapon and it had worked well here for the 50 something years prior to this day) but the top Tasmainian cop told the smith to repair it and return it, so he did in fear of police action against him and his business, I personally have spoken to the smith so know that part is 100%.

    So Bryant ( the shooter) was armed agian, but then the commonwealth doctor took him off his med's the following day and within a week of this Bryant was slaughtering tourists, or we think it was him, the footage i have seen shows two very different shooters, one right handed , one left, the left handed one matches Bryant who is left handed , the other shooter ( if there was one ) looked very different,, his face was freckled, hair was shorter and right handed.. now getting that footage is awful hard. I had a A2 sec clearance ( same as the PM ) and could not see it after a book buy one of our most respected journo's was penned. the journo never got another job again either. and packer media who used another stations footage to show it was bryant got big, fast. ( UN endorsed media)

    In britain the shooter who did the massacre there also was a nutter well known and on meds. also taken off his meds by the government an again within 2 weeks in the UK case, he went nuts at a school.. Dunblane

    Read this and see what you think. i cannot vouch for it being 100%, i dunno. But know when i was asked by folks to get info i could not. and back then i should have been able to get anything. It had guards or i was told to leave it alone.

    This is the strangest trial in Oz's history, no whitness's, no record of interveiw and bryants own admission was followed by the statement , "i said i was guilty so i could have a TV". That statement was on ABC radio national, ?00,000's heard it but the ABC denied it the next day and never made another attempt to put the trial on the air again.

    Then that was stricken from the record, in fact the eveidentury part of the court case is stricken. It stinks.
    and when i looked i found it was the same as in the dunblane case,

    weird eh.

    You decide,

    it dont make sence to me at all , i aint a conspiracy person but i know there are holes in this you could drive a small country through,

    and its too similar to the dunblane killing and all the gun ban policies where developed by the same lobbyist group from the US in both cases,

    something smells. BAD.
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2010
  14. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA
    Something does smell. Unscrupulous people will do bad things to get their agenda going. I can see how it looks.

    It's all about control, isn't it?

    Keep em' coming Jack.
  15. rocklinskier

    rocklinskier New Member

    Aug 16, 2009
    I don't give two hoots about some spelling, as long as it's not just stupid!

    example: the average teenage text message when implemented on a perfectly good computer keyboard...

    Thanks jack, it's this kind of info that we all need to be VERY aware of.

    If it happened there, it most certainly could happen here, and as most of us are aware, there are folks who are devoting their lives and millions of other peoples money to see that it does.

    This post disturbs me. Sometimes we need to be disturbed to assist us in being diligent.

    Eyes wide open
    Guns cleaned an loaded

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