The Beast Revelation

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  1. michae1

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    The Beast Revelation

    This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

    The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

    The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

    This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

    Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

    Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

    Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

    Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
    It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

    In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

    Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

    Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
    Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.


    Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

    The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

    May God bless all who read this letter.

    Michae1
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    Michae1, I find it very odd that you would come to a firearms forum and completely skip introducing yourself and not come to discuss guns at all but to post a long page of YOUR interpretation of the scriptures. I read most of what you posted and while I will not get into a back and forth with you on religion, I will say that I dont agree with your interpretation. I find it very hard to even have a discussion with someone who comes to a privately owned FIREARMS forum and takes absolutely zero time or effort to get to know anyone before they plaster their forum with their personal beliefs. We have a religion forum here for our members to discuss issues and pray for each other and so forth and there are different views from different folks that get discussed here. So, I guess I am just a little suspect of your motives. Can you fill me in?
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    Thanks Dan. :)
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    abbas? , try using his full given name and redo your numbers , dont use the common short version Mahmoud Abbas, thats less than 1/3 rd of his full name and so you have made it fit , its does NOT forefil the requirements ... sorry

    now if you got by his Kunya name Abu Mazen, IT STILL DONT WORK OUT

    speak arabic? no didnt think so

    Aramaic ?? yeah pushing it there eh ..

    look theres a lot more than matching names to numbers

    1 you gotta get it all

    ( adolph hitler fit but that was not his real name , Shicklegrubber was his last real name)

    2 its gotta be supported by the rest of the Good Book .. abbas dont fit

    but keep on swinging , you'll hit one sooner or later ..
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    narr... just misinformed
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    My motives are obvious to most Christians. Am I not allowed to post my beliefs? You don't have to agree with them. I can't be expected to get everyone's approval before I post something.
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    michael no but as a first post thats a doozy , and wrong

    post away sure , but be accurate eh ?

    putting someone on a "anti christ" is a serious thing

    and while abbas is a idiot and needs shortening by about a head..

    stating he is the antichrist when the facts dont work out does nothing to him but may mislead someone ( a Christian) to the wrong conclusion ( and you dont wish to mislead Christians i take it ??)

    when you say cant i post my beleifs , yes you can but when you are wrong accept that will you , we all have stuff to learn , you aint the only person with idea's

    some will be right some will be wrong ,

    in this your wrong as you dont have all of abbas's name

    simple

    try again ..

    but this time do it like the good book says

    match all the other stuff first then look at the name

    make sure he's what the bible describes

    does false miricles and stuff , beguiles folks first

    leads them to a new religion

    abbas dont fit that , 1 he aint no leader but a face someone else uses
    2 his name dont fit
    3 where's the rest of the prophecy ? you cant use 1 bit of prophecy and leave the rest out
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    OP's originalk quotes

    Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven.

    My reply to OP,,, I could not disagree more. I talk to God and am not in heaven and yet I have no access to heaven yet. God is in heaven, but just like in Geneses God walked in the Garden of Eden. Also a third of the host's of heaven were thrown out shortly after God made man.

    OP's quote: Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ.

    My reply to OP,,, underatand that 2000 +/- years went by before Christ was sacrificed for our sins. then it's been 2000 years since then which makes the earth 4000+/- years old.

    Your conjecture on a day being 1000's of years,,, I get the idea but man cannot prove it. God is literal. A day is a day. I believe he built it in the same day he gave us, and that is my faith in him and my opinion only. God needed rest, but he does not need 1000 years. It is just a vauge subject.

    If you came on here to spread God's will you should spread the Gospel like Paul commanded. This OP is mostly conjecture abd I firmly disagree with most of it in the name of Jesus.

    Let me tell the believers of Christ that are reading this post this, and you can't prove me wrong.

    JESUS COMMANDED (I AM SHOOTING FROM THE HIP BUT DO NOT KNOW THE VERSE OFF HAND, HELP ME SOMWONE, LETS SHOW OUR OP WHAT WE KNOW HERE), THAT IF WE DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT UP IN THE END DAYS TO BE COUNTED WORTHY, THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 666 AND THE BEAST AND THE HORSES ROLLING IN BECAUSE WE WILL BE IN HEAVEN PROTECTED BY THE CHRIST OF THE WORLD SO IT DOES NOT MATTER ANY WAY. Just as paul said, spread the Gospel of Christ. Also, by my last statement one can determine that we will see a pretribulation. So once again, why should I fear anything when I have Jesus at my side?

    Also, FYI, I am well schooled in the last days and if you believe in Christ, that is what matters. Funny, that's what Jesus preached!!!!!!!!!!
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    You are on a privately owned forum that has a group of people that know each other pretty well. We got that way by introducing ourselves to each other and getting to know each other and discussing things over a period of time. You came here and blasted a page of inaccuracys regarding the scriptures for your first post. Not a very good start. Many people here are very well versed in the scriptures and we have our own forum pastor.
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    How much are you willing to wager on your first statement? Telling me I am wrong doesn't mean anything. God will tell us all pretty soon. How will you feel when you are wrong, because you are?
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    sorry Michael

    please forgive me i did not realise you spoke for God

    so he gave you advance warning and the only version thats rightb is yours

    ok

    can you do the chart for abbas with his full name and show me then please ?

    if thats ok with God i mean

    Mahmoud Al habib bin Salim Abbas , is his full name ( as registered ) please do the chart for all of us and educate us all in YOUR EXCLUSIVE KNOWLEDGE
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    You can only be wrong if you don't believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God and that he died for your sins. Remember Micheal, Paul said these are the things that we should not let devide us. For you to assure us your right would mean that you are perfect and I think not.
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    here it is in Arabic ( the full name )

    محمود السيد لحبيب بن سالم عباس
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