The Bible regarding life at conception

Discussion in 'Religious Discussions' started by 45Auto, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. 45Auto

    45Auto Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    Some of you guys know your Bible extremely well. So, maybe you can help me out with this.

    Does anyone know the passage or passages of the Bible which state that 'life begins at conception?'

  2. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    i've never found those words

    but i have found these

    top one is pretty specific

    Psalm 139:16- Here David is speaking when he says to God, "Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, And in your book all its parts were down in writing." Notice he said ME. He was person, not just some mass of tissue.

    Job 3:3- ‘An able-bodied man has been conceived!’ Job says an "able-bodied man" is conceived. Not some cells. Not a non-living thing, a person. thats the point of conception argument i have ..

    Exodus 21:22, 23- "In case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul"

    That soul is the unborn child. If a man were to kill that child he had to pay with his own soul.

    so under the law then a unborn child ( without distinction of age ) was a person ..

    hope this helps
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2012

  3. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Great post Jack! You nailed it!
  4. 45Auto

    45Auto Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    You have an enviable knowledge of the scriptures, Jack. Thank you. Though the passages quoted are not as specific as one might like, the implications drawn from them are reasonable.

    A related historical issue is the old Common Law "born alive rule." If a pregnant woman was beaten and her child was still born it was not murder, but if the child was born alive before it died of the injury inflicted a charge of murder could be brought. This ancient doctrine is still the law in many common law jurisdictions. This rule has always been something of a puzzle, given how religious and conservative the old British judges tended to be back then.
  5. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    I'd hoped terry would drop in thers some awful long references a section at a time they dont say much but build a patter , i'll dig it up as i remember it

    a rule number XXX type book would be easier eh .. ;)

    as for born alive , i'm of the opinion anyone beating a pregnant woman for anything is liable for anything the public throws at them , including maces axes and moving vehicles
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2012
  6. bobski

    bobski Former Guest

    Jan 16, 2005
    va., conn., & mo.
    when mary (carrying jesus in her womb,) visited elizabeth, (who was carrying john the baptist in her own womb,) john lept at the sound of the greeting, knowing jesus was near.
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2012
  7. bakerconch

    bakerconch New Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    North Florida
    Jeremiah 1:5 " Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart, I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

    If you believe that Almighty God is the same today as he always was, and he says that he knew Jeremiah even before he was formed in the womb, then I say He knew us all, and what would become of us, even before conception. So to the question, does life begin at conception, for me is YES!
  8. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    You all have it covered, guys -

    Bobski has used my favorite passage for this:

    Luke 1:39-44 (KJV)
    39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
    40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
    41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
    42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
    43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
    44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

    The Baby, in the womb, recognizes and is joyed by the presence of Jesus, in another womb.

    Sounds like not only a living being, but one with spiritual discernment -
  9. sub-moa

    sub-moa Member

    Jan 25, 2012
    "An embryo is an individual, no matter how small.
    When the embryo receives cells from the mother and the father,
    it is neither the mother nor the father."

    "It is I who bring both death and life."
    Deuteronomy 32:39
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2012
  10. Iron Eagle

    Iron Eagle Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2012
    It is possible that you might find it in another translation, like the New Living translation. Don't hold me to that. The King Jimmy doesn't have that anywhere.
  11. Bobitis

    Bobitis Guest

    I'm not as well versed as others here, but my persoanl opinion is:

    Sperm has life bearing abilities, as does the egg. One in itself is merely an organism.

    When the two are combined and new cells are created, you have life.
    The cells split into more of the same, and you have a growing 'thing'.

    What amazes me is how we choose to differentiate between what is viable and what is not.

    The lady that lives below me has a daughter that is wheelchair bound.
    One guy I work with has a son that is wheelchair bound.

    If ya talk to either one of them, they have NO regrets of the children that were given to them. Note: Given to them.

    Sorry for rambling but my 1st was lost in a misscariage. I never had the chance to meet him/her. My son... I would gladly die for.

    My opinion is life starts at the 1st cells creation.

    It's not Biblical, but it's my belief.

    Carry on.
  12. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    +1 Bob. Those justifying abortion by claiming the fetus is not a real live human being have a problem explaing just when life does begin. If not at conception, is it at a week, a month, three months, six? What everyone must acknowledge is that at birth a human being and a citizen is born, with all the legal rights guaranteed by the constitution. If 2 minutes after birth someone should strangle a baby, the charge is murder. But at 2 minutes before natural birth when the babies head is crowning, an abortionist can ram forceps into it's brain and get away with it. This unspeakably evil act is sanctioned by our government, and our law. What must God think of those who would so casually take the life that He has given.
  13. Goose Springsteen

    Goose Springsteen Former Guest

    Jul 2, 2012
    The United Kingdom
    Hey guys!

    I actually stumbled on this forum researching the strengths and weaknesses of the Lancaster Bomber as compared to the B-17 but I noticed this religious section and I hope that even though I am a socialist, european, baby eating atheist I'd be able to throw my own perspective into this forum because it seems like it is on the grander scale somewhat lacking in regards to a diversity of opinion :halo:.

    Now this is a topic I've seen before on other forums and one thing I think that should be brought up more often is the fact that the Bible itself seems to make a clear distinction between the status of what you might refer to as a normal human being and the unborn fetus.

    Exodus 21:22-25, reads:

    "When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."

    Here very clearly you can see that the miscarriage of the fetus results in the payment whereas the other could be punishable by death.

    Personally speaking whilst I don't relish in the unfortunate thing which is abortion I think that it is by far the lesser of two ills to have it legal than illegal. The important thing to remember is that when abortion was illegal it didn't stop women from having them it just made them more dangerous because you had it done in a back alley.
  14. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA
    My first child was a miscarraige, I am a Junior, he would have been the third.
    My second grandson was born almost 6 weeks premature. He weighed 4lbs
    12ounces. My grandfather was so small (also premature), he was kept in a
    shoebox for 4 months. To think that both of them could have been legally
    aborted is beyond my comprehension.

    Tim Tebow's mother was told he would have massive problems and she was
    coaxed to abort him. I guess two national titles, one Heisman trophy and
    first round pick of the NFL draft proved she made the right decision.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2012
  15. 45Auto

    45Auto Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    To sum it up, it looks like the Bible does not give a clear-cut answer as to the question of when life begins. In my opinion, no one was able to nail this one down.

    Men and women can read the Bible and make presumptions and extrapolations from this or that passage and claim that it means one thing or the other. Many of these presumptions are reasonable, but these interpretations are not the word of God and are thus subject to human error.

    Even without a clear Biblical answer, strong opinions are held as to when life begins.
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