"The (London) Times" weighs in on Gun Control

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  1. 4EvrLearning

    4EvrLearning New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Left Coast
    From The Times
    March 13, 2009

    Tightening gun controls is pointless
    After the Winnenden killings we must reassess our attitude to firearms

    Richard Munday

    The horror of the school shooting in Winnenden will be followed by calls for Germany's already restrictive gun laws to be tightened. But the hope that this will work is misplaced.

    After the Erfurt school shooting in 2002, guns controls were supposedly strengthened and before that, in 1972, Germany introduced draconian gun laws to combat Baader-Meinhof terrorism. In the first three years after the legislation was passed, German military and police armouries “lost” 34 machine guns, 198 sub-machineguns, 363 automatic rifles and 1,142 pistols: with such firepower available from the organs of the State itself, the Federal Republic did not have enough terrorists to go round. As we in Britain now know, having seen the doubling of handgun crime within five years of our total ban on pistols, “gun control” is a perverse concept.

    If the Germans are serious about stopping killers running amok in schools, they might consider the Israeli solution of arming teachers. It works there, as it has on occasion in America - the massacre in the “gun-free zone” of Virginia Tech can be contrasted with the assault by a former pupil on the neighbouring Appalachian Law School in 2002 that was halted by two armed students.

    Neither we nor the Germans, of course, would be willing to adopt such a policy. We are more appalled now by the idea of an armed society. Yet an international study published in the Harvard Journal on Law & Public Policy in 2007 found that European nations with high gun ownership levels, such as Switzerland, Norway and Austria, had significantly lower murder rates than European countries with low levels of legal firearms possession.

    In Britain we have come a long way from our forebears who believed that guns were a great deterrence: from the days of the Rev Brontë (father of the sisters), who used to fasten his watch and pocket his pistol every morning; or the Yorkshire hotel guests once encountered by Beatrix Potter, all but one of whom were routinely carrying revolvers.

    But though we might wish guns had never been invented, our abhorrence of them comes at a price. “Gun controls” disarm only those willing to be disarmed; and the disarmed are then defenceless in the face of predators - criminals, killers, terrorists like the gunmen who shot 200 people dead in Mumbai or, worst of all, predatory states. The disarmament of the Jews from 1933 was the most effective example of gun control in Germany. “The most foolish mistake,” Hitler once remarked, “would be to allow the subject races to possess arms.”

    Richard Munday is co-author of Guns & Violence: the Debate Before Lord Cullen
  2. At least SOMEONE sees that gun control doesn't stop or even lessen crime. Can we get this guy over here on this side of the Atlantic for a while?

  3. TranterUK

    TranterUK Guest

    Yes but who is listening? Not the right people clearly.
  4. artabr

    artabr New Member

    The "right" people from the left never do listen. They always know better. :rolleyes: :mad:

  5. Mjolnir

    Mjolnir New Member

    Feb 27, 2008
    Greeley, Colorado
    "the massacre in the “gun-free zone” of Virginia Tech can be contrasted with the assault by a former pupil on the neighbouring Appalachian Law School in 2002 that was halted by two armed students."

    Interesting I don't recall hearing much if anything in the news about the Appalachian Law School situation. I also like the quote from Hitler, drives home the fact that when a government disarms a people something bad is coming.
  6. Of course you didn't hear about the Appalachian Law School shootings. You don't think the "fair and impartial" mainstream media would report that legally armed students stopped a shooting rampage do you? That would let the sheeple know that guns can be used for positive things.
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