The poor in America - How do they live?

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  1. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Hunter is right - Rich or poor IS a state of mind.
    We've seen days when we had no money, back when I was an E3 in the service and we lived in the Alaskan economy.
    But the only time we were HUNGRY was during the Alaska flood after I had been discharged and had a civilian job. We had money then, but it was in the bank, under water, and the only food was that being SOLD by the American Red Cross. They would not take a check.
    I've been a lumberjack, pipefitter, repo-man, electrician, lab tech, retired as a Senior Design Engineer, and worked a dozen mundane jobs between those. I did what I had to do. Our kids were ELIGABLE for free lunches, we have been ELIGABLE for food stamps - but never took either, because we didn't need the help.
  2. jack404

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    i'n in the same boat here , i had to go to renew my veterans card , and the office stated i was eleigable for this that and the other , i explained that i get extra income from fox hides and other income ( no profits from SBGO yet but i supply the troops here free ) and do a bit here and there , some fencing for folks , gun repairs and if or when allowed , i'll make some more flinters for export ,

    the welfare folks said they knew that and i was STILL eligible , no wonder the permanantly on welfare mob drive new cars ..

    i eat better than most working folks i know thanks to hunting and gardening so i save money

    i have way more fun as home made BP and ball is cheap ( mind you the raufoss stuff is like $13 a shot so thats a bit silly but ya gotta cut loose once in a while )

    and a nice dinner at the RSL once or twice a month .. $25 a head or so ( plus a 1/2 bottle of wine for the Girly and maybe 3-4 schooners for myself so maybe $80 on a big night including the show )

    i live pretty damn good ,

    but i'm firmly in the belief the Good Lord honours me with this life ,

    i'd hate to be one of these useless know nothing Godless cant work parasites who are perpetually broke ..
  3. texasred777

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    I live about 40 miles from Boise, Idaho.
    When I stated that I had never filed for unemployment, I did NOT mean it as something to be 'proud' of doing. I just meant that I had never needed to file. As I said, I believe that about 2 weeks was the longest that I ever looked for a job before finding one. It was not like it is today. Jobs were scarce at times, but one could be found if you looked hard enough. I'm not certain about today's job market. It appears that openings for jobs are just not to be had. I hear of a job here and there, but most of the time it's in a larger city, instead of here in this smaller town.
    I wrote quite a bit about past conditions; now, let me update a little. My daughter became disabled in late '08, and her husband has been on disability of several years. She applied for disability in early '09 and was turned down twice. Finally she was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. It's bad enough that the only times she has been out of the house during the last 18 months or so has been for doctors visits, ER, and one court date. They were on the verge of losing their home in early '10 after the phone was disconnected and threats to turn off the lights, water, and gas were being received. We saw a way to possibly save things by pooling our resources, so I moved in with them. Everything worked out wonderfully. We managed to pay all the back bills and have plenty to eat. Last June, my daughter was awarded disability and things have greatly improved. We added another bedroom and a handicapped bathroom; got enough parts together to build each of us a computer. I have my daughter's computer connected to the tv so she can watch tv or 'compute' using the tv as her monitor. About the only activities she had before was tv and word-find puzzles. This has really opened up a whole new world for her. We still don't have money to do a lot of the things that we would like to do; BUT, we're not going hungery, have good shelter, clothing, transportation, and each other. No, we're not 'poor', just a little finacially handicapped when it comes to buying some of the things that we 'want', not 'need'. Red
  4. herohog

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    We went from "Comfortable" (just under 100k/year combined income) to "All but homeless" over night December 17, 2009. I became disabled and we lost our home, SUV and everything we could sell. Our only income was the pittance my wife made as a Nanny and the whopping 10% disability I was drawing from the VA as an E4 ($123/month).

    After a year and several months, we have my VA disability increased to 20% and we FINALLY got Social Security Disability at 100% which, along with what my wife makes at $10/hour sitting with the elderly/ill is JUST enough to live on but there is NO slack and we aren't saving a dime and our saving account is at a whopping $10.02.

    In the time it took to get my Social Security, we lived with whoever could put us up. For several months that included living in a storage area with no windows, no A/C and the only heat was provided by tiny electric space heaters. We used a portable toilet as well and had no bathtub but did have a shower.

    If it weren't for the VA, I wouldn't be here. They provide my meds and all of my health care which is significant. Back when I was employed and had good insurance, I was spending better than $15,000 a year out of pocket on myself alone.

    I know poor. I know how bad our healthcare system is. I know how corrupt our government is. I know how people cheat "the system" and live well where an honest guy like myself is left to starve and rot for following the rules...
  5. Juker

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    It's not how much money we have - it's how we spend it.

    "Never equate money with success. The world abounds with wealthy people who are miserable failures as human beings."

    The problem in this world of entitlement is that if you don't have a big screen, Xbox, smartphone, etc., you're poor, and you're certainly entitled to have those things, right? Well, I'm not poor, and I don't have them. I just don't want them.

    And I look at actors and singers and "athletes" making millions per year, and so many of their lives are a complete trainwreck. Wouldn't trade my life for theirs for any amount of money, nossiree.
  6. carver

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    About the same story here herohog. I grew up on welfare, I do know what poor is, but I never saw myself as poor. I've lost everything I owned several times, and had to dig deep, and start over. It ain't always easy, but it is what any self respecting person would do.
  7. fleetwood1976

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    i am one of the richest poor people I know. people don't have enough money for what they want not what they need. It does not cost a fortune to survive, it does cost a lot to live outside your means.
  8. CampingJosh

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    WRONG! Unemployment tax is a tax.

    The Federal Government will admit, when pressed, that they are not constitutionally permitted to create an insurance program. Instead, they have a tax system, and a wholly separate but suspicious-looking system of payments to individuals. This is the position that the government argued in the 1960 Supreme Court Case Flemming v. Nestor. There is no contractual agreement between the taxpayer and the government; nothing is ever "owed" to the taxpayer. It's not an insurance. It's a tax, the proceeds of which are then used to provide for the general welfare of unemployed people across the nation.
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    That's one of the wisest sayings I've ever read.
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    Twice on that!!!
    Glen
  11. 45nut

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    Growing up, we weren't poor. We were definitely not rich either. My Dad worked for Ma Bell and took all the overtime he could get and my Mom was a medical secretary after my sister and I started school.

    In retrospect, we were probably lower middle class and the reason we had extras was Dad's overtime. I know he has talked about how his overtime bought our school clothes and they scrimped and saved and bought a very used travel trailer in the early 70's that enabled us to take very cheap vacations.

    When we went to Florida for a week vacation we brought our own food and ate out one (1) night during the week. Mom cooked two meals a day. Late breakfast and supper. It was easy white trash food, like tacos, spaghetti, sloppy joes, fried Spam & french fries, etc. Sandwiches for lunch.

    One time, the restaurant was too expensive and we had to come home a day early. That shows me now, how tight the budget was. My Dad ate a chopped ham sandwich, cheetos or fritos and a piece of fruit for lunch for about 20 years. Just so he could save that lunch money to put towards school clothes, vacation and Christmas gifts.

    I wish there was something I could do to repay them for all they did for us. ;)

    Herohog - check your messages.
  12. howlnmad

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    Easy on the white trash comments. That there is some of the best eats there is.

    Next to lobster and prime rib. :D
  13. treniaL

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    Economic recessions have paradoxical effects on the mortality trends of populations in rich countries. I've read an article about this issue, please allow me to share it here. Two recently published studies examine the influence of the economy on the unborn. The study implies even they are affected by the economic down-turn. One draws a parallel between the recession and declining birthrates. Another, more disturbingly, shows a fall in the wellness of those that are born. Here is the proof: Studies say that the poor economy affects birthrates and newborn health. Today’s recession could also represent a global stimulus to redirect societal goals through wealth redistribution, in the same way the Great Depression did almost 80 years ago. Global health disparities are at unparalleled extremes, and we would all benefit from decreasing economic inequalities, not least through lessening the health gap.
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    Living rural along the Yukon where we do, you find half the community living way below the poverty line. They make it just fine living a subsistence lifestyle. Harvest moose, caribou, and nearly everybody has a fish net in the river when the salmon show up. People have gardens, and work seasonal jobs that often remove them from being taxed.

    Some can't wait to sign up for any new govt program, others refuse to even collect social security, no joke I actually know a couple people in this boat and wonder if they are hiding out from a crime from many years back?

    Then there are people who live marginally and own all kinds of land and tangible assets the govt has a hard time shaking down. One local guy owns over 800 acres, hasn't made 20 gran a year during his entire existence here, 36 years. He doesn't want anything from govt and always reminds me the trick is to not worry about how much you make, but how much one spends; alot of truth to that. Same guy doesn't worry too much about health care, (Our family plan costs 1800/month and I sure think about it) but this guy has become a regular health fanatic with clean living & natural homeopathic remedies that seem to work for him. Not suggesting that we all should start visiting the root doctor but some of it is beneficial, no joke.

    People living urban have so many more expenses they can't lower or control; so they are forced to work several jobs to survive.
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    We are living day to day. We really to a hit during this depression, Stock Market collapse, and the housing bust. We need to vote out any Congressman that has been in office more than 2 years and get rid the graft, private agenda's, and the nut jobs in office. It's supposed to be, "government of the people, by the people, and for the people."
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  16. 45nut

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    Hey, I still eat all of those, even the fried spam, but now I do tater tots in a toaster oven, instead of frying taters. :eek: :D :D
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    Welcome to the forum! You make a good case here. This IMHO is leading us into a Socialist life style for the planet. And it is a life style that is not sustainable. At some point in time Governments run out of tax dollars, because there is no more room for further taxes. An average of 2.11 births per woman are needed to sustain a population. The birth rates of all European countries and Japan are well below this level. The U.S. birth rate is slightly below this level, and dropping. Of course the U.S. doesn't have to worry about this situation. We have enough children being born to illegal imigrants, and to the poor of this Nation who rely on a large family to earn even more of the tax payers dollars!
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    I've never owned a toaster oven!:D
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    Carver, you're so right about not being unsustainable. When Palin was first elected as Governor up here in Alaska, Oil was $140/barrel. State was taking in 7-8 billion more than even our crooked politicals up here knew what to do with. So Palin forced through a state health care plan for all kids 18 and under. The Repubs went nuts, the dems didn't know what to think of her. Palin said we got the extra bucks, we're spending it on something good that will benefit all Alaskans equally (billion bucks too). I didn't know what to think of her, but figured ya know in the end it got to be a good thing for the kids lacking health care and if she didn't spend it on that our filthy legislators would get in their pockets anyway in the end.

    Well, what ended up happening was once everybody found out about the program, they defaulted into it rather than other health plans they had. The Indians who have the best health care from the feds jumped on, the billion projected funding didn't even come close to what was needed and the numbers of people abusing it was higher than they ever expected. Program had to be pretty much cut back or go under. It came back to haunt Palin and she was trying to accomplish something good in the first place.

    I think most Govt programs are similar, huge promises to make everything right, way under funded and they eventually fail miserably.
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    i you want to be comfortable you work and save........................if you dont, just sit on your dead ass, hold your hand out and the government will provide.
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