The Real McCain Record

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by satellite66, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    2,066
    Location:
    Central NJ
    January 11, 2008 12:00 PM

    The Real McCain Record
    Obstacles in the way of conservative support.

    By Mark R. Levin

    There’s a reason some of John McCain's conservative supporters avoid discussing his record. They want to talk about his personal story, his position on the surge, his supposed electability. But whenever the rest of his career comes up, the knee-jerk reply is to characterize the inquiries as attacks.

    The McCain domestic record is a disaster. To say he fought spending, most particularly earmarks, is to nibble around the edges and miss the heart of the matter. For starters, consider:

    McCain-Feingold — the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.

    McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

    McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry — through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases — in American history.

    McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.

    McCain-Reimportantion of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety (hey Rudy, pay attention, see link).

    And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. The public record is full of these statements. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.

    As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

    McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.

    And then there’s the McCain defense record.

    His supporters point to essentially one policy strength, McCain’s early support for a surge and counterinsurgency. It has now evolved into McCain taking credit for forcing the president to adopt General David Petreaus’s strategy. Where’s the evidence to support such a claim?

    Moreover, Iraq is an important battle in our war against the Islamo-fascist threat. But the war is a global war, and it most certainly includes the continental United States, which, after all, was struck on 9/11. How does McCain fare in that regard?

    McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).

    McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.

    While McCain proudly and repeatedly points to his battles with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had to rebuild the U.S. military and fight a complex war, where was McCain in the lead-up to the war — when the military was being dangerously downsized by the Clinton administration and McCain’s friend, former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen? Where was McCain when the CIA was in desperate need of attention? Also, McCain was apparently in the dark about al-Qaeda like most of Washington, despite a decade of warnings.

    My fingers are crossed that at the next debate, either Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney will find a way to address McCain’s record. (Mike Huckabee won’t, as he is apparently in the tank for him.)

    Link
  2. lefty48

    lefty48 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Messages:
    121
    McCain news:

    WASHINGTON — Republican voters have sharply altered their views of the party’s presidential candidates following the early contests in Iowa and New Hampshire, with Senator John McCain, once widely written off, now viewed more favorably than any of his major competitors, according to the latest nationwide New York Times/CBS News Poll.

    I don’t always agree with him on all the issues,” Jeff Little, a 34-year-old actuary and Republican from Apple Valley, Minn., said in an interview after he participated in the poll. “But I feel he, more than most politicians, tells you what he thinks.”

    Etc.
  3. Bruce FLinch

    Bruce FLinch New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2005
    Messages:
    5,015
    Location:
    Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point
    Whatever his party affiliation, he sounds too scary for me! :eek:
  4. Michael G

    Michael G New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2007
    Messages:
    364
    Location:
    Garland Texas
    McCain is another word for Russian Roulette with only one cylinder empty. " Most times you're gonna lose".
  5. berto64

    berto64 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2001
    Messages:
    7,512
    Location:
    Owyhee County, Idaho
    He should scare the Hell out of all of you!

    His record on defense and veterans issues is terrible all the way back to when he first filled Barry Goldwater's senate seat. He his a traitor to this country's military and vets.

    I take nothing away from him for what he has endured. It is his actions or lack thereof since joining the senate that angers me. He was my senator when I still lived in Arizona. He's one reason I left.
  6. lefty48

    lefty48 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Messages:
    121
    McCain News 1/17

    COLUMBIA, S.C. — Volunteers making telephone calls for Senator John McCain in South Carolina last weekend noticed something odd: Four people contacted said in remarkably similar language that they opposed Mr. McCain for president because of his 1980 divorce from his first wife, Carol, who raised the couple’s three children while Mr. McCain was a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

    By Tuesday afternoon, a group calling itself Vietnam Veterans Against McCain had sent out a crude flier accusing the candidate of selling out fellow P.O.W.’s to save himself.

    By Tuesday evening, a group called Common Sense Issues, which supports Mike Huckabee, had begun making what it said were a million automated calls to households in South Carolina telling voters, according to one of the calls, that Mr. McCain “has voted to use unborn babies in medical research.” (The campaign of Mr. Huckabee, a former governor of Arkansas, said it had no connection to the group and had asked it to stop the calls.)

    Mr. McCain quickly fired back, but he has seen this movie before. In the 2000 South Carolina primary, one of the most notorious smear campaigns in recent American politics peddled distortions and lies about him, among them that Mr. McCain’s current wife, Cindy, was a drug addict and that the couple’s daughter Bridget, adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh, was a black child Mr. McCain had fathered out of wedlock.

    Vietnam Veterans Against McCain is led by Gerard W. Kiley, who led a similar effort against Senator John Kerry’s Democratic presidential campaign in 2004. Reached Wednesday at his home in Garnerville, N.Y., in Rockland County, Mr. Kiley said that he was effectively the only member of his group and that “we really don’t have any money to speak of.” Mr. Kiley said he thought Mr. McCain gave up too much information to the North Vietnamese and was wrongly claimed as a war hero.

    Mr. Kiley, 61, a Vietnam veteran, said that he had worked for the past four decades for a major New York corporation that he declined to name.

    Mr. Kiley said that his flier had been distributed by U.S. Veteran Dispatch, an online newspaper published by Ted Sampley, who did not return a telephone call on Wednesday afternoon. It was unclear how widely the flier was distributed.
  7. AL MOUNT

    AL MOUNT Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,321
    Location:
    Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark
    My door gunner buddy & I agree that anybody that was a NVA POW for 5 YEARS.........:eek:

    can't help..... but be quite a few french fries short of a happy meal......:eek:
  8. Berto, you more or less confirm my own impressions of him. He wants to portray himself as a conservative. He is NOT a conservative, but at best a left-of-center Democrat. More and more I'm beginning to think the best hope we conservatives have this time around--and it not a good one by any means--is Romney. It seems likely that Thompson is going to be out of it after South Carolina, and I think Huckabee is little more than a flash in the pan who will be down the tubes after Super Tuesday. And besides, I don't like his position on a lot of issues anyway. Ron Paul is basically running just for the exercise. Whom does that leave?
  9. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    2,066
    Location:
    Central NJ
    Thompson is probably the most conservative of the bunch. Rommey is more of a new style conservative. McCain is a lib for the war like Lieberman. Huckabee has a bad record as governor as far as illegals and taxes go.
  10. berto64

    berto64 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2001
    Messages:
    7,512
    Location:
    Owyhee County, Idaho
    I believe ol' Barry is spinning in his grave over McCain's turncoat attitude towards true conservatism.
  11. Yup, old AuH2O most likely is, Berto. I remember well the election of 1964 when he ran against Johnson and got so badly trounced. We'll never know of course, but I've always thought if Goldwater had won, we wouldn't have ended up in the quagmire we did in Vietnam. If Goldwater had decided to fight, he would have been there in with both feet from the very beginning . . . no bombing halts, no free-fire zones, no BS about whacking Hanoi or SAM sites because the Russians might be there. In short, he would have made a parking lot out of N. Vietnam if they hadn't surrendered long before that. Just my $.02 worth.
  12. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2005
    Messages:
    5,053
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Well, McCain likely has it in SC as of the hour... The comments on Fox News indicate EXACTLY what I have complained about for a while now... "a huge shift in demographic over the past few years in SC...." I could translate that, but probably shouldn't... :eek::rolleyes:

    The real reason that McCain dominated SC is because Huckabee and Thompson are essentially one in the same to SC voters. I added up the percentages on the news. McCain at 33%, Huckabee at 30% and Thompson at 16%... If either Huckabee or Thompson were not in the mix, then 46% MAY have been thrown to a candidate who would have ousted McCain...

    I love and hate SC... We're still Republican because I've seen fewer Democrat campaign signs than I can count on one hand in the past few weeks, but we're moving quickly to the left because of an 'influx' in population from more liberal states... :mad:
  13. dcd_enterprises

    dcd_enterprises New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    1,311
    Location:
    Wheatland, Iowa
    lefty, You're not helping McCain here, if that's what you're trying to do. No offense intended, you're from the left side of the aisle. ANY republican ANYONE from the left side of the aisle would defend, I WON'T SUPPORT. PERIOD. YOU WANT BROAD ACROSS THE AISLE SUPPORT FOR YOUR CANDIDATE??? NOMINATE ZEL MILLER. THERE'S A DEMOCRAT I'LL VOTE FOR. OH, Wait a minute. You guys threw him out of the party for trying to get along with the other side and for standing on principle and supporting President Bush in the '04 reelection.
Similar Threads
Forum Title Date
The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr John McCain really pisses me off!!! Mar 6, 2003
The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr When Your Bosses, (and President) Really Care for You Nov 10, 2014
The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr what will change...really? Oct 21, 2014
The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr Is This Real .... ? Oct 6, 2014
The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr What NFL "Scandal"is Really About.. Sep 18, 2014

Share This Page