The Real Weaver Stance

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  1. kilogulf59

    kilogulf59 Former Guest

    May 2, 2008
    With the passing of Former Los Angeles County Deputy Jack Weaver, I thought it prudent to post the real deal…there is also an obituary at the end. R.I.P. Deputy Weaver.

    As Jack Weaver told Jeremy D. Clough, by Jeremy D. Clough,
    May/June 2008 issue of American Handgunner

    '...I asked Jack if there are any misconceptions about the stance he'd like to clear up. "The idea it has to be done a certain way," he tells me, explaining that much of it is about "what's comfortable." I ask him to show me how it ought to be done, and, pistols in hand, we step outside into the back yard.

    "Figure out where your target is," he tells me first. Standing next to him, I watch as he lines his feet up, the left a little forward of the right, and takes his two-handed grip on the pistol, with his left hand wrapped around the right, unlike the "teacup," and "wrist grab" holds used by some others. A man with large hands, Jack wraps the thumb of his left over the top of his right hand, just out of range of the K-38's hammer, then quickly cautions me not to do that with the .45 auto I'm holding.

    "Your eye, the back sight, front sight, and the target don't have to be perfectly lined up," he says, bending his head down slightly and bringing the gun up to eye level, "but you can see the sights, and as you squeeze the trigger, you correct them as best you can. Pretty soon, you get to the point where you come pretty close every time."

    I watch closely, and try to imitate his movements as he brings the gun up to eye level and strokes the trigger through, dry-firing. "If your feet don't feel right," he tells me, "you just pick them up." I ask him if I'm doing the Weaver Stance right, and he hands me his K-38, so I can try it with a revolver. He watches me bring the gun up, then tells me, "If you find something that works better for you, why, go for it."

    In his Book of Five Rings, Japanese swordsman Miyamoto Musashi directed his readers "To maintain the combat stance in everyday life and to make your everyday stance your combat stance." For the serious minded among us, this is one of the great strengths of the Weaver stance. Having your offside foot slightly forward (which cops will immediately recognize as the "interview position,") puts you in the position to respond to a threat with whatever force is required. Whether that involves throwing a punch, using an ASP baton, or drawing a pistol, you're already in the right position.

    As Ed Head, Gunsite's Director of Operations, put it, the modern version of the Weaver is a "balanced fighting stance," and Gunsite teaches it across all the weapons platforms, including pistol, rifle, shotgun and SMG. When we talked about its attributes, Head focused on the fact the Weaver allows movement and weapon retention, as well as excellent recoil control, all of which are part and parcel of defensive shooting. "You don't have to be big and powerful," he explained, "The technique is what it's all about." And there's no doubt these advantages of the Weaver stance – its universality, speed, retention and recoil control – have saved the lives of many law enforcement officers. '

    How to do the "Weaver Stance": Stand with feet about shoulder-width apart and knees locked. Keep the foot on the side of your gun arm back from your other foot.

    Step 1: Extend the hand holding the pistol out in front of you until your arm is almost fully extended. Keep a slight bend in the elbow. Hold your gun at shoulder level.

    Step 2: Grip your gun hand with your other hand. Keep the elbow of that arm bent, held close to your body and pointed toward the floor. When firing, push forward with your gun arm and pull back with the other arm.

    Step 3: Turn your body at a 45-degree angle to your target. Bend your head slightly to align the gunsight.

    Arms should be fairly close together when employing the Weaver shooting stance. Do not allow your elbows to flare out from the body.

    Control the recoil and improve shooting accuracy by remembering the push/pull action when firing in the Weaver stance. Straighten out your gun arm fully to employ the modified Weaver shooting stance that is becoming more popular today. Shooting accuracy may be lost when using the Weaver stance because the gun arm may overpower the support arm; thus, a right-handed shooter may pull shots to the right, and vice versa for a left-handed shooter.


    Here's a video interview with the late Deputy Weaver Jack Weaver explains the REAL Weaver stance

    For the complete story by Jeremy D. Clough American Handgunner


    From The Outdoor Wire...

    Jack Weaver, from "leatherslap" to legend.
    The shooting world lost one of its best-known names last week. Former Los Angeles County Deputy Jack Weaver, 80, died Tuesday in Carson City. Weaver, for those of you not familiar with the name, is the man for whom the Weaver Shooting Stance is named.

    After experimenting with a variety of shooting stances and modifications, Weaver decided the best position for reaction shooting was simple: two hands on the weapon, gun up a foot or so above the vertical centerline of the body, and head slightly dropped. This gave him what he called a "flash picture" of the target. It also gave him the 1959 "Leatherslap" gunfighting title. As he explained "it looked kind of stupid, and everybody was laughing at me, but it worked."

    After three years of losing to Weaver, Guns and Ammo writer and legendary shooting expert Jeff Cooper proclaimed the Weaver Stance "decisively superior" to anything else. In fact, Cooper incorporated Weaver's stance into his Modern Technique of the Pistol.

    On Saturday evening, I spoke with Weaver's son, Alan, about his father and learned that this last year of his life had been one "of a rock star" after American Handgunner published a story about Weaver and his stance in its May issue. "All last year," Alan said, "Dad got letters, videos, patches from police departments and shooting clubs, tons of mementos that made him realize that people did remember him and his contributions."

    We all remember Weaver's contribution to shooting -every time we take a two handed Weaver, or modified Weaver or whatever you call it.

    --Jim Shepherd
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