They better toss this one out!!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Lori Mick, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. Lori Mick

    Lori Mick New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    Stuck in Upstate NY for a while
  2. jim summers

    jim summers Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,184
    Location:
    I reside in southern Indiana, you can almost step
    Just on the surface it sounds like a worthy bill, but i think you are right they just need to toss this one out and start over.
  3. bogus bill

    bogus bill New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    124
    You dont think that wouldnt be for stubborn gun owners? Or how about christians that wont deny christ just before the rapture? THATS WHAT I THINK!
  4. Haligan

    Haligan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    2,035
    Location:
    FEMA Region II
    One thing after another, their setting the board, beware when the pieces start moving.
  5. Lori Mick

    Lori Mick New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    Stuck in Upstate NY for a while
    the crazy thing is they already have camps all over the states right now....I saw a map of them not too long ago...

    and one or two of them are equipped with buildings that will gas people in large quantities...

    I think it's just sickening to think that America is coming to this...

    Can't we all just live in peace without all this crud?

    I'm getting ready to retire....and I sure as hell don't want to live in fear for the rest of my life...

    or do I have to leave the country I love so much?

    sigh

    this just sucks... and I'm sad and mad all rolled up into one!
  6. SaddleSarge

    SaddleSarge New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,025
    The most frightening paragraph is at the end. If this doesn't show the agenda and what this bill is aimed at, I don't know what will:
    I'm only concerned with those that would strip the consitution, but there are those whose job depends on the propogation/continuation of race issues.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2009
  7. 45nut

    45nut Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    3,462
    Location:
    Dallas, TX

    Lori,

    Do you have a link to these camps? I'd like to know if there's any close to me.
  8. Lori Mick

    Lori Mick New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    Stuck in Upstate NY for a while
    I have the link at home but doing a search engine here's another map...I think there's over 800 of them....they're close to ALL of us!

    http://www.uaff.us/deathcamps.htm I just scrolled this website and it's really creepy!

    Good God....is this America??????
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2009
  9. 358 winchester

    358 winchester *TFF Admin Staff*

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2004
    Messages:
    7,335
    Location:
    Pensacola Fl. area
    My face is RED and my head hurts the blood pressure is so high I may just explode, I better o lay on the couch and watch an old western where the good guys win :mad: :mad:
  10. GMFWoodchuck

    GMFWoodchuck New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Messages:
    1,369
    Location:
    Binghamton, NY
    Well, anyone who has read the laws involving FEMA knew this stuff when Bush Sr was president and sucessfully pushed for it. It's in plain english. How do you think the whole situation happened in New Oleans? It wasn't to see if the government could help, but to see how well it could take control after chaos started.
  11. Marlin T

    Marlin T Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    7,888
    Location:
    New Mexico
    A BILL

    To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.
    • Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.


    • This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act'.
    SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.


    • (a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.
    • (b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--
      • (1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;
      • (2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;
      • (3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and
      • (4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
    SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.


    • (a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.
    • (b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be--
      • (1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;
      • (2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;
      • (3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;
      • (4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;
      • (5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;
      • (6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:
        • (A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and
        • (B) the other shall be used daily for training; and
      • (7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.
    • (c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:
      • (1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.
      • (2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.
      • (3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.
      • (4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.
      • (5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.
      • (6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.
    • (d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.
    • (e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.
    • (f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.
    • (g) Reports-
      • (1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site--
        • (A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;
        • (B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;
        • (C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;
        • (D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and
        • (E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).
      • (2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site--
        • (A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);
        • (B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);
        • (C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and
        • (D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.
      • (3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site--
        • (A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);
        • (B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and
        • (C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.
      • (4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.
    SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.


    • This Act does not affect--
      • (1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or
      • (2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.
    SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.


    • There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.
    SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.


    • In this Act, the following definitions apply:
      • (1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation' means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:
        • (A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.
        • (B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.
        • (C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.
      • (2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency' has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).
      • (3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster' has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).
      • (4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation' has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).

        http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.645:
  12. 45nut

    45nut Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    3,462
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    WARNING, you need to be really, really happy or already drinking if you click on this link. It is very scary. :eek::mad:
  13. guntech59

    guntech59 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    87
    Location:
    Adirondack foothills
    I'm safe! I have my tin-foil hat on.

    The map shows one near me on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario. I'd like to go look at it but, can't get a good location. The map is real neat and all that but, after some research, I can't find an ACTUAL location of any of them. If you find one, let me know, I'll go check it out!:rolleyes:

    Edit: OK, I'm an idiot...it says, right on the map, Ft Drum. I work on, and hunt all over, Ft Drum. Trust me ...There is no camp here or anything like one.

    Thank God for tinfoil!
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2009
  14. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2008
    Messages:
    8,169
    Location:
    Louisiana
    I may have lost the jist of the thread because I have been clicking on the links. Anyway this is my take.

    The only thing I can say about this is in the event that SHTF you need to be prepaired for the worst case senero. I learned just how long it takes to get help after Katrina. I live some 65 miles from where the storm hit. I had no problems. Although we lost all services for months. I can tell you now you need over a 3 month supply of food, water, fuel and everthing to sustain life dug in at your home. You just cant be in the cities with the cahos. I don't know what you guys saw on tv back then because I had none, but I promise you LE had a hell of a time with citizens in the zoo. These people can not fend for themselves. It's crazy. I salute those brave men and women who went in there to restore order. I also have to say that I believe this is a localized thing that will happen to the city people should SHTF. People in rual areas also tend to help each other.
  15. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2008
    Messages:
    4,720
    Location:
    Akron, Ohio
    "If Sarah Palin isn't enough of a reason for you to get over whatever your problem is with Barack Obama, then you damn well had better pay attention," Hastings said, as reported by ABC News. "Anybody toting guns and stripping moose don't care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks. So, you just think this through."


    So gun owners and hunters are a threat to blacks and Jews...is that it? I tell you we are facing a dangerously ignorant and bigoted mentality. Well I'd tell this numbskull that Jews and blacks are safe with me but ignorant asses such as himself SHOULD be worried. God do I hate stupidity.
Similar Threads
Forum Title Date
General Discussion My Motorhome is Better Than Yours Jun 19, 2014
General Discussion Couldn't have happened to a better group of guys. Feb 10, 2014
General Discussion milk and cookies? I have a better idea son Dec 25, 2013
General Discussion Who says the ammo shortage is getting better? Not me Aug 6, 2013
General Discussion Seeing better Jul 14, 2013

Share This Page