Thompson´s first use.

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  1. Ursus

    Ursus Active Member

    Does anyone knows when and where the Thompson smg was first used in actual combat? I´m on the belief that it was in the 1920´s in Nicaragua where the USMC were sent to protect american citizens and investments, during Sandino´s revolution.
    Am I correct?
  2. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Don't know the history or date of the revolution you state, but the Marines took first possession of the M1921A Thomson SMG in October of 1926. Hope this helps.


  3. Ursus

    Ursus Active Member¨Italy was the first country to adopt a sub-machine gun, the 'Villar Perosa' in 1915. The original production had no stock and was mounted in dual sets fired with thumb type triggers.

    Although the USA was the third country to develop a sub-machine gun, this type of weapon was not adopted by the US until about 1928 when the US Marines used it at Nicaragua. The Thompson submachine gun or Tommy gun was invented by General John T. Thompson¨.
    I found this here.
    Others sources indicates China is the first place where the Tommy was used.
    Does anyone knows for sure?
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2006
  4. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    John Tompson founded the Auto Ordnance corp. in 1916, and began his developments in submachine guns with purchase of John Blish patent (1915), that described a delayed blowback automatic firearm. This patent described delayed blowback breech system in which a sloping metal wedge interlocked the breech block with the gun body. Under high pressure, as when the cartridge fired, the angle of the slope was such that the mating faces jammed solid. As the pressure dropped, the faces were able to slip across each other, the wedge moved up due to the slope, and the breech unlocked. This idea was used in all Thompson submachineguns except for M1 and M1A1 (those were simply blowback operated).

    The first Thompson SMG appeared in 1919. The first serial manufactured model appeared in 1921 and was manufactured by Colt, as well as latest M1927 and M1928 models. 1928A1 & M1 series were manufactured by Auto-Ordnance and Savage, and licensed copies were manufactured by B.S.A. in Great Britain.
    Currently, Auto-Ordnance (a part of the Kahr company) manufactures semi-auto only Tommy guns with lenghtened to 16" (405 mm) barrels for civilian market.

    In general, all Tommy guns may be described as a select-fire, delayed blowback or simply blowback (M1) operated firearms. All tommy guns featured all-steel, high quality construction. Barrels are partially ribbed for better cooling.

    Thommy guns became famous through "roaring twenties" in the USA, when, during the Prohibition times, many Tommy guns were used by both Police and criminals to spread the death across the enemies. The Hollywood made the Tommy gun the sign of the 1920's in the USA. But this gun was also widely used during the WW2 and later in Korean war, and proved itself as a reliable and powerful firearm. The main drawbacks of the Tommy guns were short effective range, heavy weight and high cost of manufacture.

    Short listing of Thommy Gun models (according to Auto-Ordnance web site)
    M1921 - first production model. Featured delayed blowback operations, machined steel receivers, charging handle located at the top of the receiver, detachable wooden buttstock and vertical forearm.
    M1923 - unsuccessful attempt to increase effective range by introducing a new, more powerful cartridge, .45 Remington-Thompson.
    M1927 - semi-auto only version of M1921. Barrel with Gutts compensator.
    M1928 - also known as "Navy model". Select-fire version with horisontal wooden foregrip (also was manufactured with vertical foregrip) and sling swivels. Barrel with Gutts compensator.
    M1 - First issued in 1943 as a simplified for war-time production variant of M1928. Select-fire, simply bowback operated, issued with 20 round "stick" magazines. Charging handle is located at the right side of the receiver. Plain barrel (without ribbing).
    M1A1 - even more simplified M1 (with fixed peep-hole rear sights).

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  5. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    And last but not least:

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  6. Ursus

    Ursus Active Member

    There´s some informatom for you, inplanoxt:

    Augusto César Sandino
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    Sandino (centre) en route to Mexico.Augusto César Sandino (May 18, 1895 – February 21, 1934) was a Nicaraguan revolutionary and leader of a rebellion against the U.S. military presence in Nicaragua between 1927 and 1933. Labeled as a bandit by the U.S. government, his exploits made him a hero throughout much of Latin America, where he became a symbol of resistance to U.S. domination. Drawing the U.S. Marines into an undeclared guerilla war, he successfully evaded capture, eventually forcing the United States to withdraw its troops and securing significant concessions from the Nicaraguan government. However, he was murdered by General Anastasio Somoza García, who went on to seize power in a coup d'etat two years later, establishing a family dynasty that would rule Nicaragua for almost fifty years. Sandino's legacy was claimed by the Sandinista National Liberation Front, which overthrew the Somoza dictatorship in 1979.
  7. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002

    I graduated high school with both of Anastasia Samoza's sons. One was a year behind me and one was a year ahead of me. The school was La Salle Military Academy in Oakdale, NY.
  8. Ursus

    Ursus Active Member

    They do studied there as far as I know.