Thoughts on a .40 cal

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  1. chuckusaret

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    Re: Thoughts on a 40mm

    I had the pleasure of testing the XM203 in Vietnam before they were issued. As far as what handgun; Springfield XD40 SC would be my recommendation.:D
  2. LDBennett

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    Re: Thoughts on a 40mm

    I am not a Glock fan! In fact, I don't like any of the plastic guns. The Glocks have a reputation of an unsupported chamber requiring special reloading dies to fix the bulged fired cases. I have heard here that they are not all that sturdy in their duty as a COP gun. Then there is the story of my friend who bought one.

    My friend is an excellent shot having won many 22 and air gun silhouette competitions locally, both rifle and handgun. He took a defense course with a revolver (the only one there) and never lost a scoring point from a missed target. He is Mr Natural shooter. After the course he bought a Glock in 9mm. In sighting it in, the only way he could get it right was with the sights hanging over the edge of the slide. Now this guy knows guns. He sold it before I could look at it (we live a long way from each other) but there was definitely something wrong with the gun.

    The light weight of a Glock can do nothing to help reduce the effects of recoil of the 40S&W which is what this post is all about. I seriously doubt it will do much to help reduce the recoil of the 9mm either. The situation is that we all have different levels of recoil that we can absorb without complaint. My level is pretty high and, of the guns I have shot, only full power 44Mag puts me off, because they hurt me. For my 44Mag revolver I use 44 Special load levels and that is SWEET!!!

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  3. Black Cat

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    I have owned a Ruger SR 9c for two years now. I have owned a Ruger SR 40c for a year. I am 75 and eyes are not too good but was able to sigt both in at 15 yds with amazing groups. I have now fired over 500 rounds thru the 9mm and 300 round thru the 40S&W. Most of them being my reloads. I have never had a jam. I do nothing but target shoot and only clean my guns every third time at the range. I had my Rugers ordered from a gun store that sells mostly Glock. He has told me he has never had a complaint on any Ruger he has sold. Recoil is something that I do not notice using the 17 round & 15 round clips. The reason people trade in most 40 S&W is the cost of ammunition. Us old shooters have to give in. Ruger is building some very good guns at a reasonable price
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    Re: Thoughts on a 40mm

    Bad guys had a full auto Mini 14 and it was in the mid 80's.
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    Re: Thoughts on a 40mm

    I love my Glock 21 45acp.
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    I sold my Springfield XD-M .40 within a month of purchase, Wish I would have rented one before hand. I'll never own another .40, that's just me though.
  7. Raven18940

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    With the cost of ammo these days I'm trying to collect as many like calibers as I can. I've got two 9mm at this point, a Glock 17 and Beretta 92, and I want to get a 1911 in 9mm to save on ammo. I'm even thinking of getting rid of my 7.62 AK for one in 5.56.

    I also have a slight issue with most 40 cal gun designs. Most seem to be 9mm that are scaled up to 40, but they don't change the magazine width. Most 9mm handguns and mags are desgined to perfectly stagger the 9mm round. When you stick a 40 in the same space it doesn't stagger correctly and significantly reduces the round count.

    So yeah, I wouldn't get a 40 just cause you don't have one. If there's a gun you want that just happens to be in 40, go for it.
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    Ahhh.......... The whole idea of the 40S&W was a large diameter bullet cartridge in a small 9mm frame. When you do it that way you get what you get. 40 S&W recoils like a 45ACP and worse in light guns (think plastic).

    If you want a full sized big gun then the 10mm is the one and it is in a frame that is big enough for a double column mag. If you think full power 40S&W recoils bad you ought to try a big 10mm. They recoil big and twist, along the centerline of the bore, in the hand as well.

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  9. CJ_56

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    Mine doesn't. It isn't even close. I can't even feel the recoil of it and it is a plastic gun as you call them. Only certain parts are plastic as you know. Weight is only a part of recoil.

    I absolutely love my XDm .40. It doesn't have any recoil at all that I can feel. That stuff about the recoil being too hard is pure hogwash. And hurting the gun???? Yeah right. And all those 10mm cannons don't fall apart after being shot 500,000 times. Someone was trying to steer you to a gun they wanted you to buy IMO. There's NOTHING wrong with a .40 caliber gun. Glock, Springfield, Sig, etc., etc. all make decent models. Find one that fits your hand, your wallet and has the features you want. I did and couldn't be happier.

    I'd actually love to have a .45 that holds 16+1 rounds but I haven't found one yet. And one of my .45's kicks hard and the other one I can't even feel the recoil even though it's a much lighter gun. The design of the gun has far more to do with the felt recoil than any other factor. For me the axis height has a lot to do with felt recoil. It is probably different for everyone.

    Be prepared to work through a few guns to find the perfect gun for you. Most guns will work reasonably well. Mine all do. But I like the features of my .40 a lot even though I have a .45 that has great features. It just doesn't hold 17 rounds. But I carry both guns often depending on various things like how hot it is and what kind of clothes I will be wearing which means I am limited to a certain kind of holster sometimes. I have various holsters too but if I'm wearing shorts and a t-shirt I'll be carrying my .45 because I have a great IWB holster to carry it in and it's a smaller gun than my .40. My oldest carry pistol is a single stack .45 and is heavier than my other carry guns. So I rarely carry it now even though I carried it for a decade. Well I do have a .25 I bought when I was in college. I used to carry it when I went into certain bars where I knew everyone else had some kind of a gun. Yes I know it was a .25 but it was accurate and easy to conceal in a back pocket. The LEO's told people not to go to those bars without a gun because everyone else had one BTW. What can I say, I lived in a wild town.

    But forget the myths people conjure up about calibers. That stuff the guy told you can't possibly be true. .40's have the bullet speed to penetrate metal and angled glass (unlike a .45) and they have more knock down power than a 9mm. The choice of ammo means a lot. My SA will shoot very accurately although it isn't as accurate as my Sig P220 or my Taurus PT-145. It definitely isn't as accurate as my S&W 629 but not much is. Out to 30-35 yards it is plenty accurate enough. It's not a 1911 but it weighs a lot less and holds twice as many bullets. Look for the features YOU want. I did.
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  10. jack404

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    i carried a browning 9mm until i had to use it , later was given a .45 , carried that until i could not

    no .45 legal here so i have a .40 loaded hard

    less recoil than .357 mag hits harder, expansions better , loading options include shot

    you dont get that option til you are at .40 or better in handgun ( serious shot not snake shot like .22's)

    i'll put .40 against 9mm any day , cause the one day i needed the 9mm it was NOT enough gun ..

    yes recoil is harder than most 9's ,
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    No .45's in Aussie land? Wow you guys have a lot of rules that stink. I will agree that the recoil of a .40 is harder than a 9mm. But it isn't enough to affect followup shots in a gun that is made well. If the gun recoils straight back into your hand you have nothing to worry about. If you can't deal with recoil you should probably let someone else use the bigger guns and get yourself a .380 or a 9 x 18. Recoil is really a personal issue. The only handgun I have that gives me trouble with recoil is my .44 magnum. And the only reason it's a problem is the trigger guard bangs the knuckle on my middle finger hard. I have big fingers I guess. If I hold the gun just right it doesn't happen but it keeps me from wanting to carry that gun as a SD weapon. I don't want to be distracted by anything in a life or death situation.

    The .45 is the popular choice it is because it's about the biggest gun most people can carry and fire repeatedly without having to re-acquire the target after every shot. And if you get barrel flip it will still give you problems. My Taurus recoils straight back into my hands. I just bend my elbows slightly and let them absorb the recoil and I'm ready for followup shots instantly almost. But the time I see what I want to aim at my gun is ready to shoot at it. That's what everyone should look for in a gun. You want the biggest gun that you can still get off followup shots with without waiting to aim again. For most men that's generally a .45. For women it's generally a 9mm. The thing that made 9's so popular was the double stack mag and the fact they shoot fast enough to penetrate steel instead of banging it like a sledge hammer. So they will go through car doors. But so will a .357 magnum and so will a .40. Both are bigger and bigger is always better up to the point where you can't fire followup shots without aiming again.

    So if you're a man look at a .40 at least. If you're a woman or a small man a 9mm might be the best choice. But this stuff about the gun taking abuse is bunk. Modern guns are generally built like tanks anyway especially a good name brand gun. Glocks are known to be tough. Yes they had the issue with the chamber not being supported correctly about 20 years ago. That isn't a problem now that I know of.
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    EAA Witness .40 S&W

    and i get 0.3 sec double taps in ( IPSC set rule ) on 25 meter 4" targets no worries

    practice practice practice

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    There you go. No worries indeed. If that won't do it you're in big trouble anyway. I've never gotten timed on double tap shooting but I have emptied my 10+1 .45 Taurus PT-145 into an 8" target at 20 yards in 10 seconds. Every shot was a hit on target. I don't really practice that kind of shooting as much as I should. I try to set up different targets so I have to aim at like 3 targets with a mag. I think that's a real world scenario so I practice it pretty often but I should work on just double taps and emptying a mag too. You're right about practice meaning a lot. I've slacked off on practicing since the price of ammo went up so much. I try to practice at least once a month which really isn't enough but it keeps me accurate at least. That reminds me that it's time for another monthly practice run. I actually downloaded an app for my Iphone that was supposed to measure time between shots but if you shoot more than a round a second it won't distinguish individual rounds. Oh well. It was a free app. I guess I got what I paid for. Maybe it cost a dollar. Whatever it wasn't worth the time to download it.
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    What nonsense.

    The .40 S&W round has more bullet weight, more bullet diameter and about the same velocities as the 9x19 (shootabunch) NATO round. I have no doubt the .40 S&W has more momentum and greater usable energy than the 9 in just about any circumstance.

    On paper, the .40 has greater recoil than some 9x19 loadings, but I find shooting them does not seem punishing or intimidating. The H&K USP40(c) - my primary carry pistol - is no more objectionable in recoil than any of my other serious caliber guns.

    My H&K will print five rounds into the head section of an NRA B27 target at 25 yards with regularity. (Ammunition used was Winchester Ranger SXT 165.) It holds 12 rounds of ammunition in each magazine. (I don't plan on shooting or missing a great deal. If that's the plan, perhaps a submachinegun is in order.)

    Malfunctions? What malfunctions? I think I had a hangup once with a lead bullet catching on the feed ramp. It may have been with something else.

    I learned to shoot with the Government Model, the big Colt O frame model. I am also very impressed and pleased with S&W revolvers (of the older style). A four inch .357 Magnum is just dandy for all sorts of purposes.

    But I currently carry a .40 S&W because it works so well. The idea that the recoil is intimidating is just silly. It reminds me of the horror stories about the fearsome recoil of the .45 ACP round from a Government Model. Just plain nonsense. The idea the 9x19 round is 'just as effective' is wishful thinking.
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