Thoughts on the "Occupiers" and the USA today

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by jack404, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    In the "Children's Maladies of the Left in Communism/Results of the Popular Conversation About Marxists Strategy and Tactics" (V.I. Lenin, 1920), Lenin wrote on the critical importance of timing: "To accept the fight, when it is beneficial to your opponent, is a crime; and leaders of the revolutionary class who cannot maneuver, manipulate and compromise to avoid obvious defeat are useless."

    According to Lenin's rule, it is strategically appropriate for President Obama to halt all policies that are inconvenient to his election. That's why regulations like the EPA ozone plan, which would impose tremendous regulatory burdens on manufacturing in the USA, and the full-blown implementation of ObamaCare, will wait until after the presidential election of 2012.

    Lenin also wrote on the importance of taking advantage of every available disagreement among opponents: "To win over a stronger opponent requires tremendous effort, the necessity of very careful, skillful use of any little crack among the opponents ... requires the use of every available case to gain an ally — even if temporary, weak, unreliable or conditional."

    It is interesting to observe how the avalanche of attacks against the Tea Party activists by mainstream media, liberal commentators and other Democratic Party representatives makes some Republicans uncomfortable with the Tea Party. Conservatives should realize that there is no time for old-fashioned political rituals when the transformation of the country is under way.

    On using a society's democratic conventions to make that society weak, while increasing the power of the central government, Lenin wrote: "Participation in the bourgeois-democratic parliament not only doesn't hurt the revolutionary proletariat, but makes it easier to prove to the uninformed masses that this kind of parliamentary governing should be destroyed, helps in the success of distractions and helps in the elimination of the bourgeois parliaments."

    Lenin was talking about the British system of government, but his main point was on the strategy of replacing democratic system of governing with centralized power.

    The theme of "broken government" is popular among liberals — so much so that the governor of North Carolina, Bev Perdue, recently said: "I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover."

    Peter Orszag, former director of President Obama's Office of Management & Budget, wrote an article titled "Too Much of a Good Thing — Why We Need Less Democracy." Top mainstream Democrats such as Purdue and Orszag are in alignment with Lenin's teachings.

    But while propaganda, deception and manipulation work on people, they do not work on economies. In 1920 Lenin forecast that the full transformation of the Russian society into the prosperous communist state would be completed by 1930-1940. By 1930, after the destruction of private manufacturing and the collectivization of the agriculture, the country was facing famine and hunger.

    After Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin continued centralizing power and silencing opposition. By 1937, travel outside the USSR was strictly regulated. People were locked inside the country, surrounded by government-controlled propaganda.

    After Stalin's death in 1953, the next party leader, Nikita Khrushchev, declared that by 1980 the foundation of the communism in the USSR would be built. At the XXII summit of the Communist Party of the USSR in October 1961 he announced: "This generation of Soviet people will live in the communist society." By 1990, Soviets witnessed their economy, managed by government bureaucrats, collapse.

    The disoriented "Occupy Wall Street" protesters, looking for a society where the government takes care of citizens and redistributes wealth, would find such a society in the USSR. Since that society collapsed, they can now look to North Korea or Cuba as the natural endpoint they're agitating for.

    In an Aug. 8 speech, Obama said: "For all of the challenges we face, we continue to have the best universities, some of the most productive workers, the most innovative companies, the most adventurous entrepreneurs on Earth.

    "What sets us apart is that we've always not just had the capacity, but also the will to act — the determination to shape our future; the willingness in our democracy to work out our differences in a sensible way and to move forward, not just for this generation but for the next generation."

    There are plenty of countries around the globe with the capacity and will to act. There were plenty of capable and willing people in the USSR determined to shape their future. Many of them were trying to immigrate to the USA.

    What sets the United States apart are its founding principles, based on the concept of individual liberty and the protection of the private property. "The best universities, some of the most productive workers, the most innovative companies, the most adventurous entrepreneurs on Earth" that Obama mentioned are the result of these principles.

    The fawning media, the divorced-from-reality professors, the crony capitalists and the power-hungry individuals do not set this country apart from any other. What does make the United States unique is the phenomenon of the Tea Party: freedom-loving people, rising against government interference into their lives.

    It is no wonder that those who would like to transform this country despise Tea Party activists. Intentionally or not, the ideology of today's Democrats is closer to Lenin's writings than to the founding documents of this country.
  2. Jackman

    Jackman Member

    Jan 12, 2008
    The occupiers are a bunch of nut cases but one point I do agree with is that the big shots in corporate are getting a free ride to a win win situation by way of the tax payers , pretty sweet deal imop and not available to the working class stiff. What am I missing here?

  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Think Russia , think revolution .

    who did they get onside first ?? before they moved , yeah most where dead after the czar was .. but the various groups got on board, banks included a few big manufacturers , and though the Boshies did the revolution it was socialists hard side, the communists that took over with the hard core dealing with the various Businessmanski and kulaks , a few driver out , many beaten gaoled , sentenced to Gulags and never got out

    folks forget

    funny thing , some of the smartest thinkers of the day watching all this, bailed out before the bolshies struck got their and others wealth out and bailed scot free

    this is a replay , just in the USA now

    how many hard core communists do you think there where back then ??

    if i said less than 3000 would that surprise you ? When stalin called them usefull idiots he knew what he was talking about , lennin and engels and marx would be laughing even in hell , as would ioseph ilianich

    i did not write the above , its from a post on another forum , but its points out rather well some points to show the agenda and thought behind all this BS going on ..

    while heavily against democrats , i think the illness is spreading and infects boths sides and a lot of "independent" forces , the media is there , global big business is a part , the UN stinks .. it reeks of lenin pre revolution and 2 dozen "global" (term for pre socialist) organisations rolled into one ..

    the sharks are circling
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  4. Jackman

    Jackman Member

    Jan 12, 2008
    I hear ya and agree and also well versed on history but I can see why the people are pissed these big shot money makers are getting too much help , there laughing all the way to the bank and to an early retirement it hardly seems fair to me, we should all pay our far share and not expect a free ride
  5. bakerconch

    bakerconch New Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    North Florida
    I wonder how organized are the occupiers? I this organized chaos? Will there be enough chaos that the government must STEP IN and do something about it?
    What can they do, impose matrial law? Is it a critical importance of timing as Lenon said? I hope not, but makes me wonder.
  6. 45Auto

    45Auto Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    One of the tried and true ways to fight an insurgency is to provide jobs and opportunity in the subject population. Good paying jobs and opportunity are declining in the USA. Americans are hard working, and some will do things like scrape hides and flip burgers, but you can't feed your kids or put clothes on their backs with that kind of money.

    With the decline of the American middle class trouble is inevitable.
  7. Brisk44

    Brisk44 New Member

    Mar 6, 2011
    The outlook is certainly scary. I can only hope enough see things for the way they truely are so we can act to save this country.
  8. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2009
    North Florida
    Ah, good point. To shuffle thru all of the nonsense and intentional hype to determine the truth. I hope we can get there. The media is controlled by the all mighty soros dollar and the minds of the people are molded by whatever they wish. The so called "truth" sites such as snopes and others are nothing more than an extention of the offices of cnn, msnbc and others just verifying whatever it is they wish for you to believe this week. We are nothing more than a pawn society being controlled by the big brokers who choose the game from day to day. It will take much more to save this country than romney, cain perry or bachman can do, BUT by stopping obozo from doing anymore damage, it will be the beginning.
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2011
  9. Gun Geezer

    Gun Geezer Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2009
    Central Florida
    I agree it will take much more to save this country than any of the candidate hopefuls can do, but mainly because all modern day politicians, hopefuls or wannabees are cut from the same cloth. Once they get elected their focus changes to staying elected (getting re-elected) and paying off the debts they incurred getting into office. Those in office are just the tip of the ice berg. Washington is chuck-full of career lackey's who do all the dirty-work and will stay in their jobs no matter who wins. Every day we draw closer to how ancient Rome was before the empire fell. They let their government become morally corrupt. They too fought wars they could not win bankrupting their economy. They too let multi-culturalism erode the foundations of their once-great empire. They also tried to be too much for too many. And I haven't even mentioned their sudden shift in sexual preferences and orientation. Sound familiar?
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