Three best and three worst . . .

Discussion in 'General Military Arms & History Forum' started by Pistolenschutze, Feb 22, 2007.

  1. U. S. Presidents that is . . . :D

    With all the brouhaha being raised these days on the current President, and the even greater amount of "uncastrated male bovine excretory material" being slung around concerning candidates for president in 2008, I thought it might be fun to get the membership's view on who the best three and worst three presidents in U.S. history have been. And just in case you have forgotten your history lessons from elementary school, I have even provided a list of them, from George Wasington to George W. Bush. :D Please feel free to add any comments you wish on why you made the choices you did. To start things off, here are mine:

    Best Presidents:
    Thomas Jefferson
    Abraham Lincoln
    Theodore Roosevelt, Ronald Wilson Reagan (tie)

    Worst Presidents:
    Ulysses S. Grant
    Lyndon Baines Johnson
    William Jefferson Clinton

    1. George Washington 1789-1797
    2. John Adams, 1797-1801
    3. Thomas Jefferson 1801-1809
    4. James Madison 1809-1817
    5. James Monroe 1817-1825
    6. John Quincy Adams 1825-1829
    7. Andrew Jackson 1829-1837
    8. Martin van Buren 1837-1841
    9. William H. Harrison 1841
    10. John Tyler 1841-1845
    11. James K. Polk 1845-1849
    12. Zachary Taylor 1849-1850
    13. Millard Fillmore 1850-1853
    14. Franklin Pierce 1853-1857
    15. James Buchanan 1857-1861
    16. Abraham Lincoln 1861-1865
    17. Andrew Johnson 1865-1869
    18. Ulysses S. Grant 1869-1877
    19. Rutherford Hayes 1877-1881
    20. James Garfield 1881
    21. Chester Arthur 1881-1885 .
    22. Grover Cleveland 1885-1889
    23. Benjamin Harrison 1889-1893
    24. Grover Cleveland 1893-1897
    25. William McKinley 1897-1901
    26. Theodore Roosevelt Republican 1901-1909
    27. William Taft 1909-1913
    28. Woodrow Wilson 1913-1921
    29. Warren Harding 1921-1923
    30. Calvin Coolidge 1923-1929
    31. Herbert C. Hoover Republican 1929-1933
    32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1933-1945
    33. Harry S Truman 1945-1953
    34. Dwight David Eisenhower 1953-1961
    35. John Fitzgerald Kennedy 1961-1963
    36. Lyndon Baines Johnson 1963-1969
    37. Richard Milhous Nixon 1969-1974
    38. Gerald R. Ford 1974-1977
    39. James (Jimmy) Earl Carter, Jr. 1977-1981
    40. Ronald Wilson Reagan 1981-1989
    41. George H. W. Bush 1989-1993
    42. William (Bill) Jefferson Clinton 1993-2001
    43. George W. Bush 2001-
  2. Pat Hurley

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    Best: Lincoln, Reagan, Washington
    Worst: Carter, LBJ, Harding
  3. I was torn between Carter and Clinton, but chose Clinton because, however inept he was, Carter was at least an honest man. ;)
  4. azsigman

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    Best: Lincoln, Reagan, Roosevelt

    Worst: Carter, Clinton, LBJ.
  5. Most interesting. Reagan appears in all lists so far (rightfully so!), and so does LBJ. Keep 'em coming! If we get enough replies to make it meaningful, we can do a run off for single best and single worst. :D
  6. Marlin

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    Best: Washington, Lincoln, Reagan

    Worst: Harding, LBJ, Carter/Clinton (tie)

    [Order listed is by date of office, NOT order of preference]
  7. Ya know, Marlin, I'm surprised no one (besides me) has yet chosen Jefferson as one of the best. In my view, it was he who really defined the American democratic system and broke the American government away from the its more or less elitist beginnings under the Federalists (Washington and Adams). I have argued for years that Jefferson was the first Libertarian president. :cool:
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    In order of their service:

    Best: Washington, Lincoln, Harry S. Truman

    Worst: Grant, L.B. Johnson, George W. Bush
  9. Xer, I think it's interesting that you chose Truman as one of your choices. I must admit, ol' "Give 'em Hell Harry" didn't lack for cajones when it came to making tough decisions. It's not widely known, but he came very close to using nukes against the Chinese when they came swarming across the Yalu.
  10. Xracer

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    Yeah.....he was a fiesty little b*stard wasn't he? But I chose him for many reasons.

    He was a virtual unknown, and he replaced a giant....FDR, and I think he did it very well.

    He oversaw the smoothest transition from a wartime to a peacetime economy in U.S. history. Granted, there were a lot strikes when wartime price and wage control were lifted, but there was no widespread unemployment when all those GIs returned, and our economy boomed.

    When the Soviets and Greek Communists threatened to undermine the Greek Government (the way they had throughout Eastern Europe) he issued the "Truman Doctrine"......that the U.S. would resist, with force if necessary, the imposition of a Communist government on any free country.

    .....and he backed up his words with action in Korea. Not our best war, perhaps, but it established a precedent that the U.S. would go to war if a free country was invaded by the Communists.

    And he started an obsucure, but very important program....the "Soil Bank". Today, it's commonplace farming practice, but back then it wasn't. American agriculture was producing less and less on the same soil. During the depression, the Government tried to get farmers to "rest" their land or rotate crops.....but it didn't work. The hard-pressed farmers needed the little income they were able to extract from their farmland. Truman's idea was to pay farmers not to farm wornout land and allow it to rejuvinate. His critics cried "Socialism!", but it worked and now farmers "rest and rotate" as a common practice.

    The Berlin Airlift, the forming of NATO, and many, many other programs and accomplishments (far too many to list).....have elevated him to my list.

    "Give 'em Hell Harry" was much scorned, and very unpopular during his tenure as president, but I think history has proven him to be "one of the best.
  11. Agreed, X. He was also responsible for removing the official color barrier in the military services, a decision too long overdue. He did create the U.S. Air Force as a service separate from the Army, of course, we could always argue whether that was "good" or not :D :p ;) . Undoubtedly his most controversial action though, was his removal of MacArthur from command during the Korean War. The public raised Caine over that, but I do believe he was right in the long haul based on MacArthur's blatant definance of National Command Authority. Ironically, I think MacArthur was actually right and Truman wrong on the issue of hitting the Chinese across the Yalu, yet MacArthur blew it big time when he made his disagreement with Truman a matter of public debate.
  12. Lead Lobber

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    My history is really fuzzy, but Chester Arthur comes to mind. He took the reins when Garfield was assasinated, and reportedly rooted out a lot of corruption, when it was believed he would continue with the inbedded tradition. I like Ike, too, but I was a kid then (when Garfield clawed Jon, who subsequently had him put down) so I must stand removed from the ferment, maintaining a general disdain for politicians as I look down my nose, wishing I could see my toes.

    Seriously though, I am not well read enough to offer an educated opinion, so I'll just blunder on. I too find curious the omission of Jefferson. And the worst?

    Again begging ignorance of presidents before I was born, my only choices for worst are the Clintons (death and corruption surrounds them). I have barely begun reading about their damnation, and seriously doubt I could finish such a study in my lifetime; if I became too inquistive, they would have me killed.

    LL
  13. Arthur did a pretty good job in his brief tenure as president, Lead, especially considering the fact that he knew (though the public did not) that he was dying of kidney disease at the time. He did much for Civil Service reform and tried to remain more or less aloof from partisan politics. He was not renominated for a second term by his own Republican party, but that had more to do with internal party politics than job performance.
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