Time Ripe for 3rd. Party?

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  1. the morning light

    the morning light New Member

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    Time Ripe For An Independent Populist Movement
    January 7, 5:30 PMLA Nonpartisan ExaminerRobert Stark







    A new poll by NBC/Wall Street Journal shows that a hypothetical Tea Party would beat out both the Republican and Democratic Party's in a three-way matchup. According to the poll, more than 40 percent of Americans would support the Tea Party movement, compared to a 35 percent for Democrats and 28 percent for Republicans." The Tea Party movement does not have an official political platform but provides a voice for angry populist sentiment against the government and political establishment. However their is concern that the movement has been hijacked by Neocons and partisan Republicans the same way the anti-war movement was by democratic partisans during the Bush administration.

    In a new documentary about the tea part movement activist Nate Wiggim said, "I think a tea party foreign policy would probably be none. A tea party foreign policy would be working on getting the U.S.A. back togetherā€¦ Our economy is in disarray. I don't think this is a time to worry about foreign policy when our country is about to collapse. It's time to take care of ourselves. It was a foolish decision to go to Afghanistan in the first placeā€¦ [while] our own country's borders are left open," continued Wiggim. "We have all this globalization. We don't produce any of our own products, we always import everything. We need to focus on ourselves before we worry about any other country's foreign issues."

    The 2006 and 2008 elections were referendums against the Bush administration and Republican Congress over the Wars in Iraq, corruption, and reckless spending. However the democrats interpreted it as a mandate for their agenda. Now Americas are just as fed up with Obama and the democratic congress. There has not been a situation in recent history were the American public strongly rejected both major political parties. Perhaps the closest situation was when Ross Perot ran as an independent on a Populist platform and earned 19% of the vote.

    Obama's promised change but his policies are not that much different than Bush's. He renewed the Patriot Act, continues deficit spending, fails to secure our borders and pushes for amnesty, and continues the two wars in the middle east. Americans have been lied to that the democrats are liberals and the republicans are conservatives. We have two parties that believe in globalization over national sovereignty, favor wall street and multi-national corporations over the middle class, have no regard for our constitution, and support an interventionist foreign policy that is not in our nations interest.

    Americans are now realizing that both parties have failed to provide the solutions to fix our country but the political system is rigged against third parties. However by working within the Republican party Ron Paul's movement successfully taps into this sentiment and has influenced the direction of the GOP. There are several candidates who are part of his movement running for office this year, including his son Rand Paul who is now leading in the Republican primary for Senate in Kentucky.


    Former Congressmen Traficant who also has a growing following said "there's a group out of Washington, and in several cities around the country, that want to bring back the old Reform Party, combine it with the tea party and bring the Libertarians in and everybody, and they want me to run as an independent for president." Former CNN pundit Lou Dobbs, who is a self described independent populist and advocate for the middle class has also been mentioned as potential candidate for 2012. Dobbs said, "I will be in the public arena and engaged," and that his areas of interest are, "Illegal immigration, international trade, job creation, and economic growth."

    While independent candidates have long had a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected, if Obama's approval ratings continue to plummet and the republicans fail to provide and alternative, 2012 may provide an opportunity. The Internet has changed the political scene by breaking the monopoly that the corporate media has long had over political discourse. While getting elected as a third party is still near imposable, we will likely see change within the existing two parties such as with Ron Paul's movement.
  2. hogger129

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    Ron Paul 2012.
  3. Terry_P

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    Just what we need another bunch of Ross Perot ego maniac's to hand the election to the liberal democrats. What we need are true conservatives looking to downsize government and cut this spending spiral so that our grandkids actually have a future.

    Rino's need not apply.
  4. predictatv

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    No, I strongly disagree. The Tea Party movement has definitive value. It shows this America still carries it's Judeo-Christian and individual liberties dear.

    Ross Perot, I'm sorry to say, handed the election to Clinton. Just as Teddy Roosevelt handed the election of 1912 to Woodrow Wilson. Just as the election of 1948 went to Truman, etc.

    Now whether, or not, Mr Perot had his ego stroked into running by Democratic Party double agents? To insure Mr. Clinton's victory? That's another story. The effect was the same. We can speculate all we want about how a second TR term may have led to Imperial Germany still existing? (ie no WWII in a nutshell)
    Gov Dewey defusing the Cold War. Mr Perot bringing about a new era of liberty and prosperity. While destroying the Arab terrorists early. etc, etc. Ad Nausem...These are all alternate history food fodder....The reality is simple to see. Third parties lead to the defeat of the very party it split from. Each and every time.

    Is there not already enough evidence of that? We've 3rd parties galore. From the Green National Socialists to Libertarian. Left and right. Pick one. None have a chance at national offices.

    The Tea Party movement is a direct result of the socialist/communist assault of the Tree of Liberty. An anti-virus borne out of both parties. Our mentors and forefathers before us saw the rise of communism and it's fascist cousin. Warned us of it. Communism/Socialism/Fascism are all flavors of the same evil. An elite modern re-invention of feudalism. We can point at the Great Society of LBJ and say "Here's where today's troubles began." We'd be wrong. This evil started in the late 19th century and has grown larger with each passing year. Senator Goldwater's 1964 campaign was the last loud outcry against it. He fairly and squarely warned us. Read some of his campaign literature. What it forewarned is precisely what we see today.

    Read our modern history books. They softly build a historical case for the victory of socialism now. Even go so far as to refer to the USSR as "that thing calling itself socialism." That the seeds of the USSR's fall were laid by President Carter. That capitalism and liberty are actually in opposition. Our enemies of Liberty have hijacked most of our education system, media and legal system. Socialism infects out nation like a fungus. The Democratic Party may as well change it's name to the International Socialist Party. That way we could truthfully call them ITZI'S. Instead of Nazi's.

    OK, back to the idea...... The Tea party movement needs to gel into a movement that rips out the ITZI influence from the bottom up. A renewal of values, law and liberty. Rekindling the truth of what this Nation is and what it stands for. Replacing the educational materials and teachers in our schools. Replacing activist journalism with truth in journalism. IE Edward R Murrow standards. Replacing each and every policy wonk and politico with men and women of clear vision and values. Whether they be a Democratic wonk? O, a Republican one. The Tea Party movement is built of folks from both parties. Each person needs to clearly understand that. Which means it's a universal revolt against the current set of culture and politics.

    Use the Tea party as an anti virus in both political parties, our education system and culture. A Kulturkampf, to borrow from Bismarck, if you will. Because that's what it truthfully is.

    Narrowing it to just another 3rd Party is a guarantee. We'll live to see our grandchildren grateful to government for their new "freedoms." Where they're convinced the feudal slavery they endure is Liberty. Where the old USA is a distant fading memory of EVIL. Take it further down into the future? Anyone remember the movie Logan's Run? Where the socialist dream is a full blown nightmare? The USA an unrecognized pile of wreckage hidden from view by a domed city of lies?

    Nothing pleases a tyrant more than when his subjects are grateful for the slavery they endure under him. It makes his rule an easy and enduring one.

    "I'll not let a piece of paper come between me and my subjects!" King Fredrick of Prussia.
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    If there is a Tea Party candidate, I will vote for them. I will NEVER vote for a Republican AGAIN! They are ALL RINOS. None of them are worth a plugged nickel, and it is time to send a message to ALL OF THEM.


    GO HOME!!! YOU HAVE DESTROYED US AS A NATION! THIS GOES TO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS!!!
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    I want Reagan back.
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    I think it's too easly for a 3rd party. Unless we had some real well known people in it. No one is going to vote for a no-name, no-platform, person just to vote out the other partys. You'd throw your vote away.

    That 3rd party has to have people with experience and knowledge. Not to many people to mind just now.

    killbuck
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    My choices early in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference. :Harry Truman
  8. Terry_P

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    Let me clarify one point as ptv is putting words in my mouth, I didn't say the tea party movement doesn't have value I think is is an outstanding example of grass roots politics. I don't think it's value is as a 3rd party because that will ultimately fail. I don't believe all Republicans are rino's or that all dem's are necessarily bad. We may go thru a painful period whereby a third party knocks off the rino's and hands the election to the lib's as in the NY congressional race. The ultimate goal is to elect conservatives and to get rid of the Obozo's, Pelosi's, Feinstein's, along with the McLame's, Collins, and the assortment of other hogs at the trough. What we need to do is unite under a candidate(s) that is a true conservative. There will be a lot of "Johnny come lately's" that are phonies like Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich that mouth the words but will not reduce the size of government. They need to go back to their day job. We need to act within our own districts one at a time to elect conservatives and 2010 is the time to begin.
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    We actually have some very good Republicans representing us here in Louisiana. That would include Sen. Vitter.

    http://www.vitter.senate.gov/public...Issue_id=c4c2fe77-96d4-4f03-9b7f-71e1c6f5e4cb

    http://www.scalise.house.gov/list/press/la01_scalise/pr_080516.shtml

    Of our 7 Federal Reps. 6 are Republican. 3 of them are M.D.'s who are fighting Obama Care.

    I'm not saying the Republicans are without fault. As a matter of fact I posted about the need to boot out Rep. Joseph Cao (R) La. 4th dist. on this forum just last night.

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=72766




    Art
  10. rentalguy1

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    You guys vote for who you want, and I'll vote for who I want. I stood up, wrote a blank check to my country, and earned my right to vote. It's not wasting my vote if it's cast for the person that I want. In my mind, it is time to send a message to ALL politicians that it is WE THE PEOPLE who are in charge here, and not them. The only way to get this through to them is to send them home to think about it for a while.
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    This would be great. You could shorten it from the Tea Party movement to just the Tea Party. They could just adopt one of the Canadian Hard Rock band's songs as their theme song.

    A third party in this country would be amazing. It would provide some actual choice and stop people from being so blindly polarized. I don't think that the TPM's ideas are fully thought out, but any third party would be beneficial.
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    I think the only thing we disagree on is how to get to the same place. I personally think term limits are the answer. Give congress 3 terms and the senate two. I find it hard to believe that the founding fathers envisioned someone would be in the senate for life. They were mostly gentlemen farmers that served out of a sense of duty and then had to go home to take care of their business. The ones in there now only care about making money. Thats it, they could care about the country, constituents only about money to insure getting re-elected and to enrich themselves. Some like Bill Clinton have broader horizons: money and "the babes".
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    I wish there was a 3rd party that called themselves the Common Sense Party.
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    You're not the only one, not by a long shot.:(

    Of course, at this point he'd be a zombie:eek: and we already have Blinky the Zombie in DC:eek::eek::eek::eek:
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    We're in total agreement on this. Right down to the amount of terms. I hope you realize that NONE of our currently seated electorate would vote for term limits, though. That's the reason that they ALL have to go home. Get a new batch of congress critters in and mandate that they either vote in term limits, or they go home in the next election.
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