TN Senate overrides Gov veto . . .

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by mrkirker, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. mrkirker

    mrkirker New Member

    Jul 13, 2007
    Senate joins House, overrides Bredesen veto of guns in bars
    from Knox N-S By Tom Humphrey
    Originally published 12:35 p.m., June 4, 2009
    Updated 12:35 p.m., June 4, 2009

    NASHVILLE - The TN Senate voted 21-9 today to join the House in voting to override Gov. Phil Bredesen's veto of a bill allowing those who hold handgun carry permits to take their weapons into establishments that sell alcoholic beverages.

    Democratic Sen. Doug Jackson of Dickson, sponsor of the bill, said the override means the new law will take effect 40 days from today, or July 14.

    The vote came after criticized news media depictions of the bill as "something sinister, something that would threaten the public safety."

    "Nothing could be further from the truth," he said.

    In the audience at Jackson's invitation was Nicole Goeser, a permit holder whose husband was shot and killed in a Nashville restaurant. To comply with current law, she had left her pistol in the couple's car. Goeser contends that, had she been armed, she could have defended her husband, Benjamin.

    Jackson cited Goesner's experience as an example of how the new law can make for safer restaurants because "thugs already have guns there" while law-abiding citizens do not.

    The only senator urging that Bredesen's veto be sustained was Sen. Andy Berke, D-Chattanooga. He said the governor had stood up for "common sense," rather than listening to a minority of citizens who passionately support the bill.

    Hey Burger-lover, do ya feel lucky tonight!" :eek:
  2. pawn

    pawn Active Member

    Jan 31, 2007
    Crossville, TN
    Hip Hip Hooraaay!!! :D
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2009

  3. mrkirker

    mrkirker New Member

    Jul 13, 2007
    Pawn, I hate to imagine the head-lines when someone gets killed (especially if an innocent gets in the cross-fire) after this passes. It will receive an incredible amount of air-play, and right or wrong, all of the "I told you so's" will have their day.
  4. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Blood is going to run in the streets, in wal mart, in Circle K, 7/11, in bars and restaurants...

    Na I doubt it very much.

    Congrats to TN
  5. mrkirker

    mrkirker New Member

    Jul 13, 2007
    We are a burger-crazed, gun-totin' society!

    Seriously, I hope you guys are right, however, as a ‘native’ Tennessean and a witness to the general level of (unthinking) 'intelligence' that walks our Wal-mart stores, our burger joints, and juke-joints, I doubt it. Time will tell . . . .
  6. pawn

    pawn Active Member

    Jan 31, 2007
    Crossville, TN
    It is inevitable there will be events that can be held up as evidence that this was a good decison and also evidence that this was a mistake. However, the people have spoken, the majority of our representatives are in favor of this measure.

    From my viewpoint, it is a step forward increasing the scope in which HCP holders can protect themselves.
  7. mrkirker

    mrkirker New Member

    Jul 13, 2007
    Perhaps, we should 'agree to disagree', eh? :)
  8. pawn

    pawn Active Member

    Jan 31, 2007
    Crossville, TN

    10-4 Sir :)
  9. mrkirker

    mrkirker New Member

    Jul 13, 2007
    Tell ya what, if I'm wrong, I'll buy the Tennessee members a 'round'! :)
  10. techoca

    techoca New Member

    Nov 3, 2008
    This override is a good thing for us Georgia residents with Conceal Carry Permits who work and shop across the state line.
  11. pawn

    pawn Active Member

    Jan 31, 2007
    Crossville, TN
    deal! :D
  12. 45nut

    45nut Well-Known Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    Every time a state has passed a concealed carry law, the gun grabbers have proclaimed the coming blood bath and shoot outs in the streets, road & restaurants. To date they have yet to appear, so I think they will not happen in this instance.

    Although, I think the mullet quotient of TN may hurt this a bit. :eek: :D (running for cover.....)
  13. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    Make mine Coke on the rocks.
  14. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    Honestly, I can see both sides of this.

    Fairbanks, Alaska, was a wide open town forty five years ago when we lived there. Lots of folks, myself included, routinely carried a pistol in a holster right out in plain sight. No one thought ANYTHING about it.
    But when you entered a bar, you had to check it at the door.
    Even the saloons in the old wild west did this in many instances.

    Honestly, I guess I feel that there should be a differentiation between a restaurant that sells alcohol and a bar. Not too many people go into a restaurant and get loaded.
  15. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    They can already walk your Wal-Marts, burger joints (that don't serve alcohol) and other establishments. I fail to see how the addition of the restaurants will change anything. Like I pointed out in another post, if you're already banned from carrying and drinking, how is anyone more unsafe by carrying into a restaurant that serves alcohol if they're not consuming? If there's a law already on the books I see no effect an additional restriction will have on CWP holders... :confused:

    Critics have predicted mass bloodshed every time new CWP laws have been put into place. It never turns into a blood bath as predicted. When FL passed their 'Castle Doctrine' which assured that victims could stand their ground instead of running away, groups said to expect wild-west style vigilantism that would surely make tourists and residents less safe. When FL passed their "guns to work" law the critics said the same thing... The truth is that law-abiding citizens are law abiding citizens; end of story.
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2009
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