Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by Crpdeth, Dec 30, 2005.
ROTF!...So Rick, you contend that perhaps I didn't provoke this fella nearly enough huh!
Crpdeth, Sorry for the delay in getting back----too many hours and so little time.
First Burger King as a treat, this would be your first mistake, painted on flame grilled stripes???? Good grief!!
Second, the tactical seat?? (shows aggressiveness to start with) just where is this coveted seat in a low booth glass fish bowl, where even the most casual glance can cover the entire interior. I believe the real name is the "Gunfighters Seat/Chair"
Third, you recall him being hard to please "vaguely"... this means something to me right off the bat. You are some what aware of his demeanor, maybe more than you admit.
Fourth, You were going to apologize, but you felt no need because of his words to you??? You didn`t deserve it. Ok, so you do what-then??? First thought/action....I`m carrying and warning you of such. Whether said or not, first action.
Fifth, you remove your glasses and ask his intentions. At this point you are now the one escallating this senerio and calling him out, and it`s that simple.
Sixth, you have summed it up at the end, never giving in and getting in the LAST parting shot. This means you couldn`t let it go and proved you would not by making the comment.
"It's obvious that you dont want none" and went on to my truck.
Tunnel vision at best and no reguard for the folks in the place of business.
What if he also had a CHL??? What would you say about how he acted---be careful before you answer......you may be speaking to the mirror.
This is my view from the lawyers seat, prossecuting you for violating every rule you were or supposed to have been taught in order to carry a concealed firearm. To brutal??? I believe you have a wife and a child on the way, I would like to see you spend many years with them and not weekend visits. You broke every rule of CHL.
With that said, because people can pass the CHL testing does not make everyone right for carry.
My buck two seventy five.
and you ain`t no small white guy either......
Just a light outline without embelishment, not a lot of time to be wordy these days.
No problem, I'm not used to seeing you here often anyway.
A "treat" because as stated, I dont do fast food often.
Do you even have a CHL? One of the first things we were taught was to be aware of our surroundings, show's aggressiveness? Says who? LOL, It shows alertness...Hey if you want to sit half asleep with your back to the door be my guest...If I am alert in my viehicle at a redlight, by your analogy I suppose I'm "Riding Shotgun"?...I believe it was our member Salvage33 who saved his own life by being in this "gunfighters seat\chair" at a traffic light a few years ago...Sleep if you wish, I bet he's glad that he is alert and ALIVE today.
If I was going to LIE (as you imply) or candy coat anything, first of all I probabally wouldnt have made this post, if I did I wouldn't have posted on my obvious blunders...Blunders which I readily admit to...Even if I was "more aware of his demeamor than I admit"...What difference would it make? What does it mean to you "right off the bat", anything? Really?
Tring to understand this one, it's kinda jumbled, What would you have done? or as in my case 'thought of doing' Mike?
True, admitted and discussed throughly already, I wasn't going to have my glasses smashed into my face, nor would you have.
Once again, a discussed and admitted blunder on my part, but I broke no laws, at this point he had already gave me a good cussing in front of the staff...Under the circumstances I held my tounge pretty well...I kinda wonder if you would have.
Regard? Wrong...Thats why I went outside.
Naa, thats easy, people with his attitude generally dont go for a license, they may stuff a .25 in their pocket on the way out the door and cause trouble everywhere they go, but no one is going to "tell them what to do" untill they meet Bubba in the State Pen, had he been a CHL holder he would have had enough schooling in the State of Texas to not call my hand. What I have to say about "how he acted" is certainally not predicated on any kind of license he may or may not be carrying nor do I see the relevance.
Really? Which ones?
What size am I then Mike?
True, thanks for your time.
Crpdeth (sitting in the Gunfighters Seat)
I think in the situation you described it would be extremely ill advised to tell the person you were armed. He could have been on you in milliseconds beating the crap out of you before you could draw the gun. Or if he was armed it might be all he needs to draw and take you out...Claiming you threatened him. Your best course of action would have been to ignore this guy as you simply exited the establishment. Your description sounded like you encountered a verbal bully and does not sound like it was life threatening. This crap goes on all the time and no one needs to die over it. Was he wrong? You bet. You were correct in not advising him you were armed.
One thing that I am convinced of Bill, is that the best possible course of action will be determined on a case by case basis, your scenario ( "He could have been on you in milliseconds beating the crap out of you") only reiterates what I've said before...As a CHL carrier you are expected to maintain control of your handgun, how will you do this with him "beating the crap out of you"...I contend that in many circumstances, not all, but depending on the guy and depending on the scenario he may be getting ready to do just that anyway, we have to be the judge of that unfortunately.
I dont believe as a CHL holder you need to be rolling around on the ground with your piece under your belt...I think his behavior, his demenor, his ability to take you out, his percieved intentions all have to be taken into account and unfortunately you wont have all day to do it.
And you are 100% right in my book, no one needs to die over it...I've been in situitations where I had every legal right to pull the trigger on an intruder and allowed him to leave...Life is too precious.
I have sat on a panel and I cant give any specifics, but I can say for certain, after you pull the trigger you are in for a rough ride, innocent or not.
Thank for your respectful post Bill...I enjoied your thoughts.
Heh-heh. That's a great story. Stuff like that is why I write fiction. Thanks for sharing that.
My response is always an instant policy followed by a question of concern (are you ok?). It instantly defuses the situation, most of time. Yeah you made a mistake or two but don't beat yourself up too bad. From your description this guy sounds like a genuine a-hole and nothing you couldve said would have made it better. Live, learn, and laugh.
I hate when ppl bump into me, it happens though, why i dont know, i hate when i am in a check out line, next person has to be all up on me, a lil elbow room is nice, when i do get bumped, i expect an apology within 2 steps, not six nor none at all, im sorry but i think you should have apologized a bit sooner, and call me racist but we all know black men have a bit of a complex to begine with. my second thought, i have never had a man say this to me, but for you to say i am armed, would have just pissed me off a lil more, kinda made you look like a coward that cant stand his own ground, i hate a coward, yet one last thought , men that carry on ther hip in public is just one way of them saying hey look at me, my opinion, ther just looking for trouble, many will disagree with me on this, but just my 2 cents,
I can't believe this thread is still going.
I know it's a late post but what the HE!!
My general rule of thumb is don't pull till he pulls. He may pull a baton,knife taser, or etc. That will help you out in court. And think of this If you say I am armed no matter how fast you are he can stick you with a knife quicker exspecially a switch or the auto everyone likes now a days
I'll try to get back to this later as I'm headed to work, but just to hit on a few topic's...
Clouder, whatcha trying ta say? As much as I chuckle about Deans comments and the way people tend to say whatever comes to mind on the internet, but seldom in real life, I still respect the fact that he DID come right out and say it, ya know?
Dean, no one likes to be called a coward so maybe I'm a little defensive here and you'll have to forgive my demenor, but there was a day when a good old rumble didn't hurt a thing, when I started carrying that day past.
I agree, carrying on the hip isan't the way to go, albeit probably more secure than the way I carry at work...If they are saying "look at me" it is really pushing the boundries of "concealed".
What if I think you bumped me and you think it's the other way around? Regardless, you better apologize quick Scooter, I may be just like you are.
I would hesitate to call him a coward. What kind of coward would post his personal experience and thoughts for all to see and judge.
I've never met Crp, but from reading what he has posted on this forum, the last thing I would think is that he is a coward.
My 2 cents.
ahhhhh ,,, i dont know, call me old fashion , but what ever happend to the day when two men had a beef and they would just fight it out, no cops, no guns, no knives, ya win some ya loose some, and for the man that is in the wrong, just admit! say your appology and be on your way, but you fellas know what i mean about being in a check out line and next person is breathing down your neck, its like they have a cow meantality going thru a branding gate, and yes when i am standing not moving and i get bumped, it is the others fault, and *** **** do i hate when they have like five feet to walk around me, , im not an angry person, just lil pet peeves i guees, and no the man who put is ordeal on the net was brave for that post, maybe just in the heat of the moment saw it easier to take the mans life instead of a simple sock in the eye, im sure the downtown buger king crowd would have taken the mans side being yelled at like a boy,,,i toatolly agree with carrying a concealed weapon, but is it realy nessasary to show your .357 on your hip walking into a circkle k to get a soda pop. wild west days are over, ahhh but it woulda been fun,,,,untill death anyway
Edit: watch your language.
popgunner,,,,,,excellent post, like you said diffrent circumstances call for diffrent decisions,,, high fives for your dad.Great to hear,
Dean, dude go back and read your post (the edited one) does it even make sense to you? Honestly man I cant read through that drivel.
Thanks for the post Popgun
I concur 100% each real life confrontational scenario that one could feasibly find himself in will play out differently, I've done alot of reading on the topic since the fracas with the guy mentioned here...What is it now, seven months ago? Anyway, if nothing else I have learned from it which was in retrospect the intent of this thread, Dean was giving props to a good old fist fight, IMO you have it one way or the other, you either carry or you dont...I still dont think a licensed concealed carrying citizen needs to compromise everyones safety around him by going dukes, that firearm is simply not secure in a boxing match, anyone whos ever been in a fist fight knows what I'm talking about.
Getting back on track here, and back to popgunners thoughts, I think anyone who straps the heat on in the morning should devote some time to genuinely thinking about how he would react if provoked verbally and read up on some people who have been to hell and back because of their hot headed actions, maybe even sit through a murder trial...The ramifactions of pulling that trigger, are emotionally and financially catastrophic.
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