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    John McCain on Gun Control
    Republican Sr Senator (AZ




    I know how to use guns; but I don't own one
    Q: Tell us about your gun collection, roughly how many you own, what your favorite make, model and caliber is, if any of them require a tax stamp?
    A: For a long time I used a lot of guns, including carrying a .45 as a pilot flying in combat over Vietnam. I know how to use guns. I don't own one now.

    Source: 2007 GOP YouTube debate in St. Petersburg, Florida Nov 28, 2007

    Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership
    John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals--criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.
    Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007

    Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes
    John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry. McCain says, "Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal."
    Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007

    Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types
    McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans.
    McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.
    McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."
    Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007

    Calls for GOP "tolerance" of closing gun show loopholes
    A recall petition drive was started in June 2001 by the Arizona far right. The petition complained that McCain was disloyal to the President, especially in voting against his tax bill, and it also complained about his proposal to close the gun show loophole. One form of the petition accused him of backing "dishonest and treasonist" legislation. Several of the petitions were posted at gun shops.
    The NRA was particularly angry with him for its being included in his campaign finance reform bill, and for trying to tighten a loophole in the gun control laws. McCain himself was sufficiently concerned that he sent a 4-page, single-spaced letter to every GOP precinct leader in Arizona. He called for "greater tolerance" for Republicans "who occasionally dissent" from one or another majority position held by a party. He explained his vote against Bush's tax cut and talked about the need to build up national defense, about his work on the patients' bill of rights, and the gun show loophole.

    Source: Citizen McCain, by Elizabeth Drew, p. 78-79 May 7, 2002

    Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks
    McCain favors outlawing cheaply made handguns called Saturday night specials, and favors mandating safety locks on certain guns. He said he is intrigued by new technology that electronically identifies a person handling a gun, allowing only the owner to fire it. McCain rallied Senate Republicans behind a Democratic measure requiring background checks at gun shows.
    Source: Scott Lindlaw, Associated Press Aug 17, 1999

    Supports ban on certain assault weapons
    McCain said he was open to voting for an assault weapon ban, depending on the details.
    Source: Los Angeles Times, “McCain Calls for Hearings” Aug 17, 1999

    Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban
    McCain spoke generally of the need for some tighter gun controls on hardened criminals and children. In Congress, he pressured his colleagues to require background checks for buyers at guns shows, and he supported a requirement that trigger locks be sold with handguns. But the Senator opposed the two major gun-control measures of recent years, the 1994 ban on several types of assault weapons and the Brady Bill, which required a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases.
    Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999

    Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos
    If you want to take every gun in and dump it in the ocean, I’ll still take you to a Web site where it teaches children how to build a pipe bomb. And I’ll take you to a Web site where the worst kind of hate language that is terribly offensive to all of us exists. I can take you to a video game being sold to our children where the object of the game is to kill police. I understand the importance of weapons, but to define that as being the major cause [of youth violence], there’s a whole lot of causes.
    Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999

    Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights
    We need to focus on halting the spread of violent crime and punishing violent criminals who abuse their Second Amendment rights, while preserving those same rights for law-abiding Americans.
    Source: www.mccain2000.com/ “Press Releases” May 10, 1999

    Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids
    McCain has introduced the “Youth Violence Prevention Act.”
    The legislation would:
    prevent juveniles from illegal access to weapons and punish those who would assist them in doing so
    prohibit juveniles who commit acts of gun violence from purchasing guns in the future
    sentence juveniles convicted of violent crimes under adult guidelines
    and punish juveniles who illegally carry or use handguns in schools.
    Source: www.mccain2000.com/ “Press Releases” May 10, 1999

    Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use
    McCain supports the following principles regarding gun issues:
    Repeal federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens.
    Favor allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms.
    McCain says, “There are penalties for criminals who use firearms.”
    Source: Project Vote Smart, 1998, www.vote-smart.org Jul 2, 1998

    Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
    A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
    Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
    Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
    Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
    Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
    Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
    Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

    Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence.
    Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs.
    Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 ; vote number 2004-30 on Mar 2, 2004

    Voted NO on background checks at gun shows.
    Require background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows.
    Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)50; N)50; VP decided YES
    Reference: Lautenberg Amdt #362; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-134 on May 20, 1999

    Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations.
    The Hatch amdt would increase mandatory penalties for the illegal transfer or use of firearms, fund additional drug case prosecutors, and require background check on purchasers at gun shows. [A YES vote supports stricter penalties].
    Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)48; N)47; NV)5
    Reference: Hatch Amendment #344; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-118 on May 14, 1999

    Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows.
    Vote to table or kill a motion to require that all gun sales at gun shows be completed by federally licensed gun dealers. Also requires background checks to be completed on buyers and requires gun show promoters to register with the Treasury.
    Reference: Bill S.254 ; vote number 1999-111 on May 11, 1999

    Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks.
    Vote to table [kill] an amendment to make it unlawful for gun dealers to sell handguns without providing trigger locks. Violation of the law would result in civil penalties, such as suspension or revocation of the dealer's license, or a fine.
    Reference: Bill S 2260 ; vote number 1998-216 on Jul 21, 1998

    Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC.
    McCain co-sponsored banning gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC

    Nothing in any provision of law shall authorize the Mayor, or any governmental authority of the District of Columbia, to prohibit possessing firearms by a person who is allowed to possess firearms under federal law.
    Denies the District any authority to enact laws or regulations that discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms.
    Repeals the ban on semiautomatic weapons.
    Repeals the District's registration requirement for possession of firearms.
    Repeals the trigger lock law.
    Maintains the current ban on the possession and control of a sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, or short-barreled rifle.
    Eliminates criminal penalties for possessing an unregistered firearm.
    Specifies exceptions to the prohibition against carrying concealed weapons in the District.



    Barack Obama on Gun Control
    Democratic Jr Senator (IL)




    Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
    Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
    A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

    Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

    A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.

    Source: 2008 Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia Apr 16, 2008

    Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
    Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
    A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.

    Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008

    Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
    Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
    A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.

    Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008

    2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
    Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
    Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007

    Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
    Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
    When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."

    It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

    Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007

    Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
    Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
    A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now.

    Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007

    Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
    I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
    Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

    Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
    Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
    Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
    Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
    Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
    Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

    Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
    A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
    Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
    Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
    Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
    Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
    Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices



    Hillary Clinton on Gun Control
    Democratic Jr Senator (NY)




    Balance lawful gun ownership & keeping guns from criminals
    Q: Both you and Sen. Obama, in the past, have supported strong gun control measures. But now when I listen to you on the campaign, I hear you emphasizing that you believe in an individual's right to bear arms. Both of you were strong advocates for licensing of guns. Both of you were strong advocates for the registration of guns. Why don't you emphasize that now?
    CLINTON: I respect the Second Amendment. I respect the rights of lawful gun owners to own guns, to use their guns, but I also believe that most lawful gun owners whom I have spoken with for many years across our country also want to be sure that we keep those guns out of the wrong hands. And as president, I will work to try to bridge this divide, which I think has been polarizing and, frankly, doesn't reflect the common sense of the American people. We will strike the right balance to protect the constitutional right but to give people the feeling & the reality that they will be protected from guns in the wrong hands.

    Source: 2008 Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia Apr 16, 2008

    Give local police access to federal gun tracking info
    I will be a good partner, for cities like Philadelphia, as president. Because I will bring back the so-called COPS program, where we had 100,000 police on the street, which really helped drive down the crime rate and also helped create better community relations.
    I will also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban. We had it during the 1990s. It really was an aid to our police officers, who are now once again, because it has lapsed--the Republicans will not reinstate it--are being outgunned on our streets by these military-style weapons.

    I will also work to make sure that police departments get access to the federal information that will enable them to track illegal guns, because the numbers are astounding. Probably 80% of the guns used in gun crimes got there illegally. And under the Republicans, that information was kept from local law enforcement.

    Source: 2008 Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia Apr 16, 2008

    Let states & cities determine local gun laws
    Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?
    A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you're referring to is before the Supreme Court.

    Q: But what do you support?

    A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

    Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

    A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to\ come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

    Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

    A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they're going to try to impose, I think doesn't make sense.

    Source: 2008 Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia Apr 16, 2008

    Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers
    I am against illegal guns, and illegal guns are the cause of so much death and injury in our country. I also am a political realist and I understand that the political winds are very powerful against doing enough to try to get guns off the street, get them out of the hands of young people. I don't want the federal government preempting states and cities like New York that have very specific problems. We need to have a registry that really works with good information about people who are felons, people who have been committed to mental institutions. We need to make sure that that information is in a timely manner, both collected and presented. We do need to crack down on illegal gun dealers. This is something that I would like to see more of. We need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. I would also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban. We now have, once again, police deaths going up around the country, and in large measure because bad guys now have assault weapons again.
    Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008

    Backed off a national licensing registration plan on guns
    I believe in the Second Amendment. People have a right to bear arms. But I also believe that we can common-sensically approach this, and backed off a national licensing registration plan.
    Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008

    Get assault weapons & guns off the street
    Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
    A: I think it's important to remember that the crime rate was driven down, & gun violence was driven down in the 1990s because of a combination of policies, like 100,000 police on the street and getting assault weapons off the street, and because of a growing economy. 22 million new jobs gave people who were hopeless a better chance for a future. So I want to get back to what works. This administration has tried to kill the 100,000 police. You've got mayors whose police force is outgunned by the criminals and the gang-bangers. Assault weapons are back on the street. We've got to go and do what works again. In addition to having policies that will get guns off the street, we do have to give young men particularly a better chance of a future that includes educational & economic opportunities & second chances when they get caught up in the criminal justice system.

    Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007

    Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre
    Q: Did any role that federal government plays fail those students at Virginia Tech?
    A: Yes. You know, I remember very well when I accompanied Bill to Columbine after that massacre and met with the family members of those who had been killed and talked with the students, and feeling that we had to do more to try to keep guns out of the hands of the criminal and of the mentally unstable. And during the Clinton administration, that was a goal--not to, in any way, violate people's Second Amendment rights, but to try to limit access to people who should not have guns. Unfortunately, we saw the tragedy unfold at Virginia Tech. We now know that the background check system didn't work, because certainly this shooter, as he's called, had been involuntarily committed as a threat to himself and others. And, yet, he could walk in and buy a gun.

    Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007

    FactCheck: VA Tech shooter not declared a danger to others
    Hillary Clinton slipped up in her description of the Virginia Tech killings, overstating what a Virginia court had found about the shooter's mental state in 2005. Clinton said the shooter "had been involuntarily committed as a threat to himself & others. And, yet, he could walk in and buy a gun."
    That's only half true. It's correct that Seung-hui Cho had a court-documented history of mental illness that should have precluded his purchase of a firearm. And he was indeed found to present "an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness" in a ruling dated December 14, 2005. But the Judge did not check a box that would have declared Cho "an imminent danger to others." Moreover, the judge declined to involuntarily commit Cho and sent him to outpatient counseling. Clinton's confusion on this might stem from bad reporting by some news outlets that said Cho was found to be a danger to himself and others.

    Source: FactCheck.org on 2007 South Carolina Democratic debate Apr 26, 2007

    Congress' failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run
    A month after the Columbine shootings, Bill & I went to Littleton Colorado to visit with the families of victims & survivors. The Columbine tragedy was not the first, nor the last, episode involving gun violence at an American high school. But it ignited a call for more federal action to keep guns out of the hands of the violent, troubled and young--a lethal combination. Bill and I announced a proposal to raise the legal age of handgun ownership to 21, and limit purchases of handguns to one per month.
    Source: Living History, by Hillary Rodham Clinton, p. 503-4 Nov 1, 2003


    Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them
    We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them.
    Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Gun Safety” Sep 9, 2000

    Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs
    We have to make sure that our schools are safe. Our schools need more help from parents and from communities, and we also need more social workers and counselors who are trained to see the early warning signs. No school security system or metal detector can keep out the culture of violence that dominates the lives of so many of our children. We have to address issues of culture, and we have to ensure that young people do not have easy access to weapons; not only firearms but bomb making material.
    Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Safe Schools” Sep 9, 2000

    License and register all handgun sales
    Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
    Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

    Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands
    I think it does once again urge us to think hard about what we can do to make sure that we keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced people. I hope we will come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who have no business with them.
    Source: Press Release Jul 31, 1999

    Gun control protects our children
    We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it. It is really important for each of you [kids] to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters.
    Source: Forum at South Side Middle School in Nassau County Jul 15, 1999

    Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation
    We have to do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of children, and we need to stand firm on behalf of the sensible gun control legislation that passed the Senate and then was watered down in the House. It does not make sense for us at this point in our history to turn our backs on the reality that there are too many guns and too many children have access to those guns-and we have to act to prevent that.
    Source: Remarks to NEA in Orlando, Florida Jul 5, 1999

    Lock up guns; store ammo separately
    If you own a gun... make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition. In fact, make it stored where the ammunition is stored separately. We’ve made some progress in the last several years with the Brady Bill and some of the bans on assault weapons, but we have a lot of work to do.
    Source: ABC’s “Good Morning America” Jun 4, 1999

    Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns
    Q: What actions can students take to help gun control further? A: Young people, especially teenagers, [should pledge] to not give any child unsupervised access to a firearm; not to go into homes, or let your younger siblings go into homes where you know guns are and are not safely stored and taken care of. You guys are going to a party, make sure there are no guns around. If you own a gun or you know people who do, make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition.
    Source: ABC’s “Good Morning America” Jun 4, 1999

    Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons
    The first step is to take weapons off the streets and to put more police on them. The Brady Bill, which my husband signed into law in 1995, imposes a 5-day waiting period for gun purchases, time enough for authorities to check out a buyer's record and for the buyer to cool down about any conflict he might have intended the gun to resolve. Since it was enacted, more than 40,000 people with criminal records have been prevented from buying guns. The 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act banned 19 types of military-style assault weapons whose only purpose is to kill people.
    As part of a "zero tolerance" policy for weapons, drugs, and other threats to the safety of teachers and students, the President signed an executive order decreeing that any student who comes to school with a gun will be expelled and punished as a condition of federal aid.

    Source: It Takes A Village, by Hillary Clinton, p.126 Sep 25, 1996

    Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
    A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
    Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
    Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
    Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
    Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
    Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
    Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

    Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence.
    Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs.
    Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 ; vote number 2004-30 on Mar 2, 2004

    Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology.
    Clinton adopted the manifesto, "A New Agenda for the New Decade":
    Make America the “Safest Big Country” in the World
    After climbing relentlessly for three decades, crime rates started to fall in the 1990s. Nonetheless, the public remains deeply concerned about the prevalence of gun violence, especially among juveniles, and Americans still avoid public spaces like downtown retail areas, parks, and even sports facilities.

    We need to keep policing “smart” and community-friendly, prohibiting unjust and counterproductive tactics such as racial profiling; focus on preventing as well as punishing crime; pay attention to what happens to inmates and their families after sentencing; use mandatory testing and treatment to break the cycle of drugs and crime; and enforce and strengthen laws against unsafe or illegal guns. Moreover, we need a renewed commitment to equal justice for all, and we must reject a false choice between justice and safety.

    Technology can help in many areas: giving police more information on criminal suspects so they do not rely on slipshod, random stop-and-search methods; allowing lower-cost supervision of people on probation or parole; and making it possible to disable and/or trace guns used by unauthorized persons.

    Above all, we need to remember that public safety is the ultimate goal of crime policy. Until Americans feel safe enough to walk their neighborhood streets, enjoy public spaces, and send their children to school without fear of violence, we have not achieved public safety.

    Goals for 2010
    Reduce violent crime rates another 25 percent.
    Cut the rate of repeat offenses in half.
    Develop and require “smart gun” technology to prevent use of firearms by unauthorized persons and implement sensible gun control measures.
    Ban racial profiling by police but encourage criminal targeting through better information on actual suspects.
    Require in-prison and post-prison drug testing and treatment of all drug offenders.
  2. graehaven

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    I don't trust any of the three. McCain voted for the ban before he voted against the ban, then, depending on the circumstances? What a freakin' retard.

    The other two's assertions about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals with further background checks and stricter policies is simply asinine. Try executing the criminals and watch how quickly the crime rate drops.

    I swear, I could make the crime rate in this country drop nearly 100% within a year, if my policy of executing violent criminals was instituted. Result: 1) they'll never commit a crime again (that's the goal in the first place), and 2) others will take note and stop their activity.
  3. SolidVFR

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    We must be very careful with this. I completely agree that a person who murders and/or commits other crimes have given up their right to live and must be put to death. But...we can't give the government the power to do this right away. First, the good citizens need to control the government, as our founding fathers intented. Part of this involves getting back our gun rights so that we can ensure the government doesn't become oppressive. If they have the power to kill somebody as a punishment, it is VERY easy for them to abuse that power and turn on the citizens.

    So, yes, I agree with you, but I think that this is a little lower down on the list. In my opinion, the most immediate concern is restoration of our gun rights. Once we have secured this valuable right, we can than move on to other issues that are also very important.
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  4. Haligan

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    Their all crap !!!! We have to get Bob Barr in their !!!!
  5. Austing

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    I believe that illegally owned guns are a problem, but legitimate, honest, law-abiding gun owners SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR THIS.
  6. Slabsides

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    The left sure loves the term "illegal handgun". Like it's the gun's fault it got stolen/altered and used in a crime. The gun is not at fault, it's the dirtbag who stole it and misused it that needs his hands chopped off.

    Lets not attack the dirtbag, lets attack the instrument.:rolleyes: Thats how these idiots think.
  7. hogger129

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    I'd vote for McCain before Clinton or Obama, but sorry I'm a Ron Paul supporter.
  8. pinecone70

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    Wow, really old thread.
  9. wpage

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    Old but not bad...
    Vote in some new blood in November that support the 2nd amendment.
  10. Gun Geezer

    Gun Geezer Well-Known Member

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    If you read the post carefully, one thing stands out. All political candidates will say anything they think will help them get elected and they will say it in a way that is ambiguous enough to be taken either way. When push comes to shove they will out and out lie while forging ahead with their own agendas. Vote 'em all out in November!
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