Trap and skeet?

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  1. Jackman

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    I am looking at a Fox B 12 gauge side by side nice shape and two triggers, 500 dollars, also looking at a new Mossberg Silver reserve 12 gauge O/U with a single trigger question is when shooting trap and skeet wouldn't two triggers be an advantage over a single trigger with a barrel selector?
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    No! I shoot with a Browning Citori which has the single trigger. A double trigger is IMHO slower for trap or skeet but that is IMHO. I believe you will like the Mossberg a LOT better over the Fox model B. I have aFox in 16 ga and would not even think of usinmg it for trap especially doubles or skeet but that is me.
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    Id rather have the SST in a well balanced O/U. But I also favor SXS shotguns so its really a tough choice for me.
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    I was just thinking double trigger is pull pull, single pull flip switch pull , hard choice here the Fox B is nice :) the Mossberg also nice and pretty too:cool: just wish the Mossberg was a double trigger.
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    JLA whats SST?
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    Answer, Absolutely NOT!!

    You are concentrating on the bird, keeping your head on the stock and do not want any further distractions such as searching for a second trigger.

    Yes, I have some experience with both the SXS and the OU and semi auto and pump guns and shooting them at clays.
    Even won a round or two in the past.

    UF
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    typically the barrel selector is simply a way to select which barrel fires first, no need to do anything but pull the trigger again for the second shot. If you have, for instance, an IC choke on top, and Skeet on the bottom, at skeet you might want to use the IC barrel for your first shot and the more open choke-Skeet, for the second shot-bird is coming to you. You probably wouldn't be using a skeet gun for trap, typically, as trap guns are usually choke much tighter than skeet guns, and unless you're shooting doubles trap, a single barrel trap gun will suffice.
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    Good post :thumbsup:.

    I'll have to go back and see how the barrel selector on the Mossberg works I just assumed its a manual switch for upper or lower barrel.

    I am a really greenhorn to trap and skeet so please no abbreviation , I am confused STT and IC choke :confused:.
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    OU have a tumble type system that is recoil activated. When you pull the trigger on a live round the tumble instantly selects the next barrel, a simple pull-pull is all that is required.

    Going to the gun store and testing this on an empty chamber will not work, no recoil to activate the tumbler. You can however, pull the trigger on an unloaded chamber, smack the butt plate hard with your hand and it should select the next barrel.
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    SBS for Game, OU for Sport.
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    Jackman

    If you have a chance, go to your local trap and skeet range and introduce yourself and tell the guys what you are trying to do.
    Most if not all of the skeet shooters will be happy to let you try their guns for a shot or two so you can get the actual feel of the different guns.

    I typically do not see many side by side guns in skeet shooting if the shooters are serious competitors. I, like some others take my side by side out for fun on occasion but normally shoot either my OU or my automatic.

    I think you will find the OU is the best and the easiest to use for either trap or skeet to get started. As said here though, if you are shooting single trap, a single barrel gun is all that is needed, but that is very restrictive to just one event.

    One more thought, trap shooters are not usually as friendly as skeet shooters as trap shooters are more elitist;) for some reason, so if going to the range, I would look for a group of skeet shooters to approach. :D

    Don't buy til you try a few if at all possible.

    Just my thoughts.

    UF
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    Uncle Fudd thanks :thumbsup:.


    We are newbies 15 year old son and I just got started we have a Savage single shot 410 and have been shooting hand tossed clay's (Sonny shoots I toss with thrower) at my gun club and were not doing so good but still having fun, I account the low hit amounts to the 410 being small and not a lot of pellets and also less range than a 12 gauge also factor in that hand tossing clay's is inconsistent.


    Upon further shopping I found the the Mossberg 12 gauge S/S is 300 dollars more than the O/U so we are going the O/U route even though we really want a S/S .
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    Good choice and remember that you can later send to Briley and have them send you a set of Tubes to insert into your barrels to be able to shoot 410, 28 and 20 ga out of one gun.

    Also just a reminder as to accuracy and gauges etc.

    The 410 has less pellets per shot but the range and the velocity is the same as your 12 or 20 ga.

    Your hold or lead on a bird is the same with any of the gauges primarily for skeet as not many people shoot trap with the "little gun".

    My favorite of all to shoot skeet is still the 410. I won a world championship with it as a novice at the World championships in San Antonio in 1996.

    UF
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    I'll be a dissenter to a double-trigger being worse than a single. It is different...but not any worse. You don't need to stop concentrating on your sight picture to switch triggers, it just happens subconciously.

    Yeah, it might take a few milliseconds more but for birds in the field it's not a problem. My favorite dove gun is my dad's old Springfield SxS, and dove is pretty furious shooting. I can double with it faster I can pump my 870.
    Now on a skeet or sporting clays range it might take time away from a double...but I can't say for sure as I don't do much clay bird shooting.
    (I used to be one of those elitist trap league shooters though...but it was just a farmer league. Not many rich guys or high dollar guns around here).


    Jackman,
    Otherwise, I'll also suggest that if you can get out and fire a few loaners to see which one works best for you.
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    SST is single selective trigger. and you dont have to pull flip switch pull with them. you select the barrel you want to go off first and just pull pull. The sear automatically reingages during recoil.
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    Well went back to Gander checked out the Mossberg again the trigger is exactly like JLA says just select a barrel and pull pull :) I like the Mossberg looks and feels perfect , made in Turkey too :eek::( but I still like,,,,,,,,anyway my kid spotted a Remington 870 Express on the used rack tagged at 299 dollars , Sonny picks it up draws a bead on a ceiling fixture says he likes the feel so the plan is changing I think well get the 870 and save the double for another time.
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    Let me state my opinion, Fudd is right.

    For a shotgun novice 2 triggers will likely not help at all, there is enough to do and too little time for groping about. I am not used to a pump action; shooting one at skeet results in comical scores and a humility lesson.

    Secondly, the gun type you shoot does affect your "game". The majority of skeet and (especially) trap shooters will likely have more invested in their guns than you will have invested in your automobile. Starting out in skeet/trap is fun if you can resist the "mine is more than yours" factor and concentrate on learning and having fun. The o/u are the kings of the game for good reason, autos and pumps have their admirers and very few people shoot a sxs at all.

    If you want another suggestion for a decent buy in a clay shotgun, look at the Stoeger Condor series, lots of bang for the buck and nicely made.
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    No!, No!, No!, for use of Double Trigger.

    Personally and I've shot Trap and skeet for over 20 years, I'd go with a Remington 1100 or similar. I have used side by sides, over & unders and pumps as well, but non are as fast and responsive as a Remington 1100 or similar.

    I shot 12ga and .410 in skeet and 12ga in trap. For most of my years I used an 1100 in .410 and two 1100s in 12ga. I had two skeet barrels and two trap barrels a 30" and a 34". I could easily exchange any of the 12ga barrels between either of the two receivers.
  19. UncleFudd

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    Much,, as with all gun selections become personal.

    But for the record, show me a champion in any of the trap or skeet fields in recent years that have won with a pump or auto, Not there.

    I shoot the 1100s, 20 and 12 ga in skeet and trap on occasion but not for competition.

    If the fellow is trying to find a gun for he and his son to begin with, and has opportunity to get a decent OU for a good price, then it is the best choice of all.

    As said, they can at some point have their barrels fitted with tubes and the gun should already be tapped for screw-in choke tubes for trap, skeet or hunting. If not it is very inexpensive to have his local gunsmith tap both barrels and buy the chokes for them.

    If he has decided to go with the 870, he has limited his shooting abilities to single trap and hunting as it is too slow for skeet doubles.

    I have no dog in the hunt but have tried all of the guns mentioned over the years and wanted only to give him some help in a choice, not preference.

    Hope this makes sense.

    UF
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    The key wording is "In Recent Years", but back in the day and not to far back, all the top shooters were auto shooters. In my opinion, that would be the same today, except for the money factor. The top shooters now days are almost always approached by and sponsored by Perazzi or Krieghoff and others top names. So they end up shooting top of the line, single trigger O&Us. Why Not? Usually, shooters who are that good, can do with any gun, except for maybe the pumps.
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