Unconstitutional aspects of Health Care Bill.

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  1. Trouble 45-70

    Trouble 45-70 New Member

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    Starting in Title I Sect 1173A pp 57-9 gives access to you banking records and account, other sections give access to all other personal information. Is this a violation of the 4th amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons of things to be seized. ? On that funnel to end of life decisions in Title II sect 1233 p.429, doesn't that violate the preamble to the Constitution provision that says 'We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.' Will someone tell me When God died and who put Congress in charge.
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    The whole damned thing is unconstitutional:mad::mad: Just like the entire Obama "Adminstration":mad::mad::mad:
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    Ah, but you see, the Constitution says "unreasonable" is not legal. Don't you know that anything Obamasiah wants becomes "reasonable" by fiat?

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    Pops
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    Not if you ask his supporter's. Ths nutcase is quickly turning this country into a socialist country and he will not be happy until he has weakened our National Security to the point we are fighting with slingshots( so we do not hurt his cousins) and we have supplied every illegal with healthcare.
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    Things will get a lot worse.
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    We ain't seen nothing yet.

    Just a reminder: This March to Socialism is designed to destroy our Constitution and if left unchecked it will. It is up to us whether we will let their plan succeed. Not Hannity or Rush, Beck, Levin, Matlin, or Preager or Medved or Savage. Us, We The People. Where do you stand, what price are you willing to pay? Will the next generation even care about our sacrifice to keep America free? Hell, does the current generation even care? That remains to be seen.

    I for one am ready for whatever I need to do to further the cause of freedom.
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    Trouble 45-70 New Member

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    There were a lot of informed young people at the last 2 tea parties I went to.
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    That's why I DON'T ask his supporters. Most of them can barely string two coherent sentences together, much less engage in a discussion about the Constitution or US history. I still can't understand how anyone could support this Kenyan-born marxist usurper.
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    I am as well, but what DO we do ?
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    It's ok though, everyone's gonna vote in the republicans in 2010 (to congress). they'll fix it. :rolleyes: Then, we can all just get screwed over at a slightly slower pace.

    Everyone's talking about how it will be fixed in '10 when congress get's flipped, or they're saying to their reps, "they'd better not pass this, because their job is on the line."

    Idiot voters.

    Their job should be GONE, regardless of their vote on this. They've been screwing you over for YEARS. They ALL need to go!

    And when they pass this, it won't be able to be repealed either. Once they have their foot in the door for nationalized health care, and the power it represents, NO politician will be able to resist expanding it.
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    With the present tenor of the conversation on health care reform, I for one think we have a great chance to stop this and cap & tax. THE PEOPLE are finally waking up and we are going to stop this madness. If not, the peaceful revol.ution will not be so any longer.

    I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding both parties. We need a third party of conservatives not GOP & DNC.
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    That's what I saw at The Alamo Tea Party. There were whites, blacks, orientals, men, women, some wearing obama shirts, admitted democrats, you name it.
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    I went to a Town Hall last night, Elmwood Park NJ, Steve Rothman (D) had his @$$ handed to him. It was encouraging to see, but I think this will get jammed up our buts. We are in very deep crap, These people are dismantling the nation.
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    Way too many people are waking up and getting LOUD for this administration to ram very much more up our butts.

    These town hall meetings are getting scary for the greedy rep's. So scary as a matter of fact the puss' in NC won't even HOLD town meetings.
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    I think there was one in Charlotte today. But I'm not entirely sure.
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    I have read the health care bill from page to page and one only needs to read the first 23 pages of the bill and need not read another page to say no. Essentially it appoints a Commissioner (Czar) who by regulation and not law has the final say. While the bill to a layman gives the appearance that it is law, the bill merely provides onerous guide lines that the Commissioner and only the Commissioner has the discretion to implement, change or enforce. This whole regulation and not law thing is not a new innovation and I believe Obama is using it to maintain his goal as being America's first dictator. Our idiots in congress have for years been subordinating the power delegated to them by the Constitution. Just one example so I don't have to write a book was the formation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 which now controls every aspect of banking, that was up until then 100% controlled by congress as provided by the Constitution. Now congress as you probably have seen, especially of late, asking stupid questions of Federal Reserve guys making both the people asking and answering the questions looking like deer standing in headlights.

    This health care bill if passed will in my opinion be the death nail of our Republic and give Obama unbridled power. The appointment of these 50 or so Czars that Obama has already put into place only answering to him is not only going to leave every US citizen outside looking in but also those idiots in congress who have allowed it to happen will find themselves as helpless as everyone of us to stop this Marxist Zealot. Why it is called a health bill is beyond my comprehension, because it goes way beyond health care and as such it should be called "The Bill from Hell".

    That being said I must say that in my opinion there should be type of reform to cut the cost of health care and one way again in my opinion would be to stop the free give a way. I am an old man with a young wife and about three years ago we had a little boy and I paid some $25,000.00 for the Doc and the hospital. At the same time we were having our child there were three other woman at the same hospital having theirs and not one of three paid a dime because they were all on welfare and by law in Nevada as I think in most places the hospitals cannot refuse anyone. The obvious problem with that law is guess on many babies I really paid for that day, which is one of the reasons health care and health insurance are so expensive. Perhaps the government instead of promoting more free births they should offer cash incentives for sterlization, though doubtful the government would consider such measures because they need to harvest more voters to support what end I think is near.

    Ron
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  19. Rocket J Squirl

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    Do you think they give a fuzzy squirrels behind what is consitutional?

    The consitution isnt a factor any more to them. Only the old hold to the idea of liberty.

    and they have an end of life clause in the bill just you

    Ive desided to opt out. What can they do, take my birthday away?
  20. Trouble 45-70

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    Mostly what muddober said except I think the Congress will be kept on as Useful Idiots. They already perform that function with a great deal of skill and they have exempted themselves from the provisions of this bill.
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