Used wrong primers

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by Spanky, Dec 20, 2009.

  1. Ok, here's the story. I loaded some 44 magnum cartridges with 10.3gr of W231 and Nosler 240gr hp bullets. The problem is I used large rifle primers (CCI 200)by mistake.:(

    I loaded 50 catridges and don't want to pull them but, I want to be safe.

    So what do you think, other than I need to pay more attention to what I am doing. :eek:

    Spanky
     
  2. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    Neither one of my manuals gives a load for Win 231 in the 44 Mag. If your manual gives the 10.3 grains as a low to mid-range load then it should be safe to shoot. On the other hand if the 10.3 grains of W231 is in the high/hot range then pull the bullets and start again.
     

  3. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    I couldn't find a 231 load for a 240 jacketed. I did find one for a 180 jacketed, though. Checking the other powders, that they gave loads for both 180 and 240 (IMR4227, 2400, SR4756), the 240 bullet loads seem to be around 75 to 80% of the 180 bullet loads. Based on that, with a max listed load of 13.0 of 231, a max load for the 240 should be in the 9.7 grains range.

    Where did you get your load?
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2009
  4. RandyP

    RandyP Active Member

    514
    Jan 22, 2009
    The Hodgdon website shows this for Win 231=HP-38 for a 240gn JHP:

    Cartridge: 44 Remington Magnum
    Load Type: Pistol
    Starting Loads

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    Maximum Loads

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    Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure


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    240 GR. NOS JHP Winchester 231 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon HP-38 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP

    For your reading pleasure....their website provides a very good free reloading resource:

    http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2009
  5. woolleyworm

    woolleyworm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2009
    SW Fort Worth

    To say anything other than "pull'em and correct'em" I think would be shooting from the hip and praying for a gun that is still intact after the first round. In all reality, it may be ok, but ask yourself this.... I have a near max load and an untested combination of components; Is it worth the undetermined risk to shoot it? Me personally, I would pull and start over, only 50 rounds, not a huge $$ loss or time.

    I have an idea on testing it; but while much safer in theory, still deem it too risky for an unknown potential. Only 50 rounds, pull it, be safe and we've all had a good reminder to double check our components.
     
  6. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    Kentucky
    i dont reload so i wouldnt know the dangers of that. but i would think it would make a difference as to what type of firearm you were planning to shoot them in. if it was a marlin 1894 i would expect it to take more pressure safely than a sw29
     
  7. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2006
    Anybody know which is hotter, A regular large rifle primer or a Magnum large pistol primer?
    I would guess that the rifle primers are made of a stronger metal because of the higher pressures in rifles. This also might cause ignition problems as the striker/hammer strike is generally weaker in pistols than in rifles.

    My personal opinion would be to pull them down and start over. The time spent would be a lot cheaper than a blown or damaged gun.
     
  8. Thanks guys.

    I was hopeing for a solid "You'll be fine". Since that is not the case I'll break out the bullet puller. :(
     
  9. pinecone70

    pinecone70 Active Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    Minnesota Gal!
  10. RandyP

    RandyP Active Member

    514
    Jan 22, 2009
    Hi Spanky,

    IMHO you have chosen.....wisely.

    Whether or not total strangers on the 'net "thought" you'd be just fine would have NO impact on the ER nurses after a kaboom.;)

    I have NO idea in fact whether or not a rifle primer equals a magnum pistol one or vice versa, but you will never go far wrong erring on the side of caution. A good reminder to us all to double then triple check as we reload. Every reloader is their sole QA inspector too.
     
  11. warnerwh

    warnerwh New Member

    7
    Nov 29, 2009
    I keep on the table what I am using while I am reloading. Both the powder and the primers are obvious.
     
  12. woolleyworm

    woolleyworm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2009
    SW Fort Worth
    LRP are taller and more potent than LPP's. and yes, a harder cup. There's no way to tell how they'd react unless under controlled circumstances in order to be safe. I think Randy stated it well, "Every reloader is their sole QA inspector too."
     
  13. scrat

    scrat New Member

    86
    Nov 21, 2009
    Not too sure about the Primer. load though maybe ok.
    240 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) or JSP
    Bullseye 8.9 gr. 1,215 FPS
    Unique 10.3 gr. 1,250
    2400 18.7 gr. 1,440
    2400 21.9 gr. 1,642 in rifle (max)
    IMR4227 22.0 gr. 1,301
    IMR4227 24.0 gr. 1,458 max
    Universal 8.0 gr. 1,018
    Universal 10.2 gr. 1,246 max
    HP38/W231 8.0 gr. 1,021
    HP38/W231 11.0 gr. 1,272 max
    HS6 12.0 gr. 1,211
    HS6 15.1 gr. 1,417 max
    No. 2 10.0 gr. 1,250
    No. 5 14.4 gr. 1,383
    No. 9 20.8 gr. 1,318
    A 5744 24.0 gr. 1,413
    231 11.2 gr. 1,280 296/H110 23.0 gr. 1,413
    296/H110 24.0 gr. 1,430 Max
    296/H110 24.2 gr. 1,590 (a bit over max)
    Lil'Gun 22.5 gr. 1,465
    Lil'Gun 24.5 gr. 1,582 max
    Titegroup 9.0 gr. 1,219
    Titegroup 10.0 gr. 1,292 max
     
  14. scrat

    scrat New Member

    86
    Nov 21, 2009
    Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure

    240 GR. NOS JHP Winchester 231 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP

    Load is ok from the Hogdon site.

    http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
     
  15. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    Kentucky
    i would take into consideration what type of gun they were going to be used in. i would probably shoot them in a rifle. an h&r handi rifle would take them for sure. think of it as an excuse to buy a new rifle if you dont already have one.
     
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