value of a winchester 1886

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by JR_22, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. Bert H.

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    That is where you are dead wrong... I do know for a fact that the alteration work done to that old Winchester was most definitely not factory work. That only leaves a former owner to blame. As for you last statement, that too is not true. True Winchester collectors are not concerned with who "might" have owned a specific gun. What is required, is irrefutable proof of who owned the gun, otherwise, it is just a "story". The graded condition and the factory originality are what drive the collector interest and the corresponding value.

    Bert Hartman
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  2. JR_22

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    you said the last owner buddy altered the gun you dont know thats for sure and it does matter who and when they done it
  3. deadin

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    Maybe it was altered by Buffalo Bill Cody for his Wild West Show in fron of the Queen of England.
    Now if you can prove that you have something, otherwise I could do the same thing to one of my Winchesters and make up a story and sell it for a whole lot more than it's worth. In the collector field it is "You have to prove your story" NOT "I have to disprove your story".
  4. Bert H.

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    Your reading skills are now questionable... I most clearly stated "More than likely it was the handy work of a previous owner".

    This will be my final statement to you... You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and that is what you are trying to do with that gun.

    Bert H.
  5. JR_22

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    I didn't beleave for once that the inlays were factory you just want argue .deadin comment about cody was insulting but true if you can prove someone like him owned it, so that would make who owns the gun does matter. You don't have any history without proof bert and I didn't make any claims about the gun only that it turned heads someone put alot work in that old gun and I like it, The sows ear comment was stupid and im done talking about it to you too.
  6. deadin

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    I don't believe that anyone said the the previous owner doesn't matter.
    What was said that speculation about who possibly could have been a previous owner is meaningless unless there is solid proof that it was owned by someone famous (or infamous..;))

    I've any number of guns that "could" have been owned by someone famous, but no matter how much I fantasize it just doesn't make it so.
    I have several 19th Century pistols that I do know (and have proof) who originally owned them, but unfortunately they were nobodies, so the added value is minimal.
  7. Jim K

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    If a gun like that can be bought cheaply enough, a new stock and foreend can be fitted and if the job is done right will look good and bring the value up quite a bit, though not to the level of an untouched gun. Were the barrel not cut, it would be a candidate for a good restoration job.

    Jim
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    You ask for a value, then argue with those you ask.

    You make statements like you know more than they do. And if you do, that's fine, ...... but then, why did you ask the question of what it's worth to start with ?
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    jr i love the inlay
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    TTE,

    ............thank you, that needed to be said.

    tjw
  11. JR_22

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    thank you Beth
  12. JR_22

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    well it just sounded like they were chopping the gun up TTE and saying it wasn't collectable peace well I bought it I have a small collection what collectors were they talking about. Jim k gave his opinion that was that he didn't keep on about it I can respect that.
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  13. JR_22

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    Im not intrested in making it aregional for more money I thought people would apreciate it a little better than they did I was wrong I really don't want to keep on about it I wished I had never posted it now.
  14. TTE

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    Anything is collectable.

    Below are 2 examples of things people collect. Which one do you think most people from this site would prefer to collect ?

    The ones that would choose the second photo, ...... those are the collectors that post here and the ones you are asking about.

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  15. Jim K

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    I hear the term "serious collector" all the time, usually applied to the big money folks, of whom I can assure you I am not one. But this might be interesting, though not gun related.

    The story goes that the world heavyweight boxing match was to be staged at New York's Madison Square Garden and the promoter reserved the first ringside rows for "serious sportsmen" at $1000 per seat (a fortune at the time). When he was asked what a "serious sportsman" was, he replied, "anyone who has $1000."

    Jim
  16. JR_22

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    Thats true Jim, But here is my point.
    Some people think when restoring an old car it should be put back aregional for any value and true beauty, While others might restore it to a point and then beef it up some, tub it out a little, put some nice wheels and paint on it. We all have seen the difference and what it comes down to really is beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. You have those that are puritis and those that are not and as long as I disagree with some , people are gonna think I just want to argue . When I look at my guns and other collectables I think of all the history they've been through and wonder what part of history they might have been in , I think of how young and strong our country was and what freedom ment and the work people did . Its sort of like the way some people look at art its not just one thing .
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    Take a 32 Ford Hiboy. Put it back all original. Take another one and chop it and lower it, put a V-8 in it and mag wheels on it. Which one is going to bring the most money? Which one is going to appeal to true collectors? Your gun is a nice piece but it is not original. You can't prove provenance so that is a dead issue, it doesn't matter. It's basically a chopped and lowered Hiboy. It has some value but nothing near what it would if it hadn't been butchered.
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    have any of you been to gun auctions lately??? guns are worth whatever you can get out of them. I saw an 1873 with the wrong barrel,and wood, in terrible shape sell for 1050 last week. There was also an LC smith 410 with refinished wood that went for 2200.
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    Your absolutely right bamajvc.
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    hawg thats why I made the car comparison , your just gonna get the same arguement all day long you can compare any car you want. And im not trying to prove anything other than my gun is collectable just the way it is.
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