Very Disappointed! :(

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  1. gun runner

    gun runner Former Guest

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    Well I finally got to try my new Savage .223 Model 25 yesterday at the farm and I went and worked the action to put a cartridge in the chamber and so yeah it did it fine but then after the bolt wouldnt pull back like if it was stuck and then I had to beat it back with my hand then got another shell in the chamber. BOOM! okay it shot then I went and wanted to pull the bolt back again so it wouldnt pull back so I had to beat it down with my hand then wanted to chamber another cartridge in but this time it wouldnt chamber itself. Its like I have had very bad luck with gun purchases this year. I had a Marlin XT22M I bought in August 2011 that had to get replaced which took forever to do then now its the Savage. What is wrong with these gun manufacturers? *shaking my damn head*:mad:

    By the way what do you guys think is wrong with the Savage I bought on the 8th of December this year? Any ideas? Thanks

    John

    Oh yes I took it back to the gun shop which really was Bass Pro Shops. They said they are going to send it back either for repair or replacement but I just hate having to wait for it.
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  2. rcairflr

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    I'm just curious what ammunition you are using? Reloads or manufacured ammo?
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    mfg. Tulammo
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    K75RT New Member

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    Tula ammo is steel cased ammo steel does not have the same characteristics as good quality brass ammo' try some brass ammo an your problems should go away...
  5. BobMcG

    BobMcG Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Yup, you really should have tried some quality, brass cased ammo before giving up on the rifle. There's a very good chance the ammo was at fault.
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    Well I already sent it back but I really didnt want to buy more expensive ammo. I just cant see the ammo would be the problem. I oiled the gun and it still wouldnt work. Well hopefully its not the ammunition.

    Thanks for the help :)
  7. rcairflr

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    I'm sure "you can't see the ammo being the problem", but my guess is that the ammo is the problem. I did a quick Google search and found more than one person haveing problems with Tula ammo in their .223. Personally, there is no way I would shoot Tula ammo in my .223 and if you choose to shoot the cheapest ammo you can find in your new rifle, expect to have the cheapest results.
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  8. RunningOnMT

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    I'd rather it was the ammunition than the rifle. You don't have to spend an arm and a leg for .223 ammo. You can get Federal or S&B .223 ammo for around $6.00 a box. Not as cheap as Tul, but not bad.
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    Here's some things I found on other forums:

    Going back to my friend he has a Smith & Wesson M&P15OR and he has never had a problem with Silver Bear or any other ammo until the Tula steel cased ammo and it wasnt his bolt not wanting to unlock like mine, it was the case getting stuck in the chamber and let me tell you it was stuck good, we had to beat the hell out of a cleaning rod to get it out.

    Went to shoot my new (to me) Rem 700/.223 Varmit today. After my sixth round was fired, I tried to open to bolt and eject the cartridge, and it wouldn't budge. The bolt rotates, but will not budge. Also, the safety lever won't move from the "Fire" position.
    Any ideas from the Calguns Brain Trust will be greatly appreciated. I'm using Tulammo

    Bolt actions tend to have tighter tolerances... so steel cased stuff is a gamble. I ran 1000 rounds of Tula through my AR I had three cases get stuck in the chamber... no biggy on a plinker AR.. but in my precision 700... heck no.

    I know that this has been beat to death but why stop now. At the range to day I fired 30 rounds of Federal XM193 55 grain without a problem. Then fired 30 rounds of Tula .223 in 55 grain without a problem. I couple younger boys were eyeballing my rifle so I asked if they wanted to shoot it. After 10 more rounds of the Tula I had a stuck case. I mean STUCK I took the upper off got the bolt out and used a range rod and after several fairly sharp taps was able to get the case out.
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    99% sure its the ammo. 1% change the headspacing was too tight. That ammo is total crap. I had a AK come in 2 days ago with the bolt stuck shut. The shooter never cleaned it, the piston rusted in the gas block. Tula ammo is all he ever shot in it. Its garbage and has no QC
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    I guess I should call Bass Pro and tell them not to go forward with it (sending it off) but maybe I should get the final results from Savage once they test fire it?
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    all i know is that its BS. I thought the beautiful rifle was going to shoot as good as it looks. Can you explain why the rounds wouldnt get chambered?
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    I have another question Gun Runner. I read that you oiled the rifle before firing but did you clean it first ??
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    Another vote for TULA=CRAP. The stuff is at least consistent--all that
    I have tried is junk.

    I have a "truck gun" AR. Eats anything. Winchester, Federal, American
    Eagle, Black Hills. And EVERYTHING will shoot under 2" at 100 yds.

    Except Tula. IF it chambers--and the bolt won't go closed on about
    20% or it---it MIGHT put 5 shots on a 9" paper plate at 100.
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    Most times its bc the ammo is out of SAMMI spec which is what the chamber is based on. Also, steel case ammo has a lacquer on it to prevent corrosion, this lacquer adds thickness to the steel and will cause it to stick in the chambers. another thing it does is with rapid fire, as the chamber heats the lacquer solidifies. If you take a short break between shot, the chambered round will become glued to the inside of the chamber which will cause the round to not ejector or break a extractor. There are only a few guns that can handle steel ammo and bolt actions and ar's are not one of them. Tula ammo just adds insult to injury buy also not putting enough power in them or no powder at all.
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    gun runner, don't scrimp on ammo. There are those who swear by the steel Russian stuff; I am not one of them, and apparently I'm not alone. I bought a few boxes of Wolf .45 ACP last year at a gun show because it was almost free. It shot OK but left my Colt looking like the inside of a Pinto muffler.
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    No offense, but this is like putting regular grade gasoline in a Ferrari. You can not blame the gun for your misfortunes, steel cased ammo will work fine in some guns; yours is not one of them. Savage builds the rifles with a minimal headspace, that with the lacquer coating apparently played hell with you. When you get it back try brass cased ammo of decent quality.
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    You would figure that if Savage knew that with the tight tolerances they have that steel cased ammo should not be run through their rifle they would mention it in the manual.

    Not that everyone reads them before going to the range but I have been known to glance them over for any recommendations or no-no's.
  20. BobMcG

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    Savage should shoulder some of the blame? :rolleyes:

    Personally, I don't understand why anyone would buy a nice bolt hunting rifle and then purchase junk, steel ammo made for AK/SKS plinking to shoot through it.
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