Viet Nam Veteran Bumper Sticker

Discussion in 'Vietnam Memories Forum' started by whymememe, Jun 8, 2012.

  1. whymememe

    whymememe Former Guest

    Oct 29, 2011
    FEMA Region IV
    The other day as I was driving to the store I got behind a car with a VIET NAM VETERAN BUMPER STICKER on one side and on the other side there was one that said, IF YOU WEREN'T THERE KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

    I was drafted in 1971, and trained in infantry mortars. The training was Viet Nam oriented. I was in mortar training at little Viet Nam AKA Tigerland, Ft Polk, Lousiana. I had orders for Viet Nam and spent two weeks on leave thinking I was going to Viet Nam. At the transfer point, they asked us if we volunteered to go to Viet Nam. The war was winding down and they were only sending volunteers. I told them I had not volunteered, frankly I didn't feel I was trained well enough to survive in Viet Nam. Why would I volunteer to go to Viet Nam when I had not volunteered for the Army and I wasn't given my choice of training. The war had caused social unrest and there were many protesting the war. Their were reports of war crimes and fraggings.

    I feel like I have been effected by the war. I had to sacrifice my way of life. My military pay was less than half of my previous civilian pay.

    My question is why would a guy have these bumper stickers on his car and who would they be directed at. I know it was one big cluster#$%^. for the grunts over there. I don't know about the other branches.

    Would this guy maybe have some unresolved issues? How many guys feel like him?
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2012
  2. permafrost

    permafrost Active Member

    Feb 24, 2010
    Oklahoma, USA
    The left doesn't have an exclusive lock on morons. They're every where. I wasn't there and i feel free to discuss it as much as I want.

  3. whymememe

    whymememe Former Guest

    Oct 29, 2011
    FEMA Region IV
    thanks for responding, permafrost, it's the superior atittude, its offensive.
  4. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    I run into these guys all the time. There is a motorcycle riding club that is for Viet Nam veterans only, and that means: "The VNVMC is made up of both in-country and Viet Nam-era vets. We are bonded by history, and united by principles to form a proud and unique Biker Brotherhood; The Viet Nam Vets MC". Yet if you were not in country, most of them will treat you like dirt. So as a Viet Nam era vet, I can join, but I wouldn't last long. If there are any members of this club on TFF, and you think that what I have posted is wrong, then PM me. We will discuss it! I think that a part of the problem is that in the past everyone that served was a veteran, no matter how they served. That was changed by our Government right after Viet Nam. From that point forward a service member had to be "in the battle" to be considered a veteran. Today, if you were not "in country" in Iraq, or Afghanistan, you are not a veteran.
  5. MSGT-R

    MSGT-R Active Member

    Feb 27, 2011
    Yes you are, you are just not a combat veteran.

    I was around for both. I am a retired Woman Marine. I am a veteran of 27 years, and I will go toe-to-toe with any knuckle dragger that thinks otherwise.
  6. jedwil

    jedwil Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Sep 11, 2009
    Texas Hill Country
    I'm in the same situation. I joined in '69 and went to Fort Knox for armor recon. Got shipped to ROK and spent my time there in a 4.2 inch mortar platoon in 2ID. 1ID in an infantry company at Fort Riley to complete my enlistment. I have no problem talking to Nam vets. The ones I have run across that have the type attitude of the bumber sticker guy were probably either REMF's or just have some deep seated problems.
  7. armoredman

    armoredman Active Member

    I was born during Vietnam, would've been hard to be there. I did one day of "combat" in the Persian Gulf in 1988 against the Iranian "Navy", but nobody remembers it or classifies it as combat, although I got the Armed Forces Expeditionary medal for it. Whoopee.
    If someone who was in the sandboxes wants to tell me I'm not a veteran, or a Vietnam vet tells me I'm not a vet 'cause I wasn't "in country" during Tet, screw 'em, I volunteered, did my service, and I give a rats ass if anybody thinks different.
  8. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    It was rather like that for the Navy Seabees too...if you hadn't been to country a couple times back then, you must be 'kissing ass' or exerting political influence...That bled off and then come the post Vietnam deployments for the Seabees...Talking to the younger, active duty troops, you hadn't 'sucked the snake' unless you'd served in Diego Garcia...Chief


    One of the major projects for the Naval Facilities Engineering Command and the major project for the Seabees in the 1970s and early 1980s was the construction of a naval complex on the atoll of Diego Garcia, part of the British Indian Ocean Territory. Diego Garcia, one of the 52 coral atolls of the Chagos Archipelago, was located in the Indian Ocean 960 miles south of India and 7 miles south of the equator. The 6,700 acre, heavily vegetated atoll was horseshoe-shaped with a perimeter of approximately 40 miles and average elevations of 3 to 7 feet. The annual rainfall was approximately 100 inches.

    On 24 October 1972 the U.S. and British governments signed an agreement concerning the construction of a U.S. Naval Communication station on Diego Garcia. The purpose of the facility was to provide a necessary link in the U.S. defense communications network and furnish improved communications support in the Indian Ocean for ships and aircraft of both governments. The U.S. was to build the facility using Naval Construction Force personnel.

    The Diego Garcia base was initially planned as an austere communication station with all necessary supporting facilities, including an airstrip. On 23 January 1971 a nine-man reconnaissance party from landed on the atoll to confirm planning information and carry out a preliminary survey of the beach landing areas. In early March a 50-man party from the same battalion and from Amphibious Construction Battalion 2 as well as other specialist personnel arrived by LST, and was followed by an advance party of 160 men from Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 40. These men were to construct a temporary Seabee camp, water and electrical distribution systems, a dining hall, laundry, refrigeration and storage facilities. Finally, they were to build an interim 3,500-foot airstrip.

    In October and November, Detachment CHAGOS of NMCB 71 and the whole of NMCB 1 arrived, marking the beginning of large-scale construction. NMCB 1 built the transmitter and receiver buildings and placed the base course for the permanent runway and parking apron. In July 1972 NMCB 62 relieved NMCB-1 and took over the departing battalion's projects. On 25 December the first C-141J transport landed on the newly completed 6,000 foot runway with the Bob Hope Christmas Troupe. The full 8,000 foot permanent runway with adjoining taxiway and parking apron was completed by March 1973; and on 20 March, exactly two years after construction began, the U.S. Naval Communication Station, Diego Garcia, was officially established.

    Worked commenced on the second construction increment, a $6.1 million project which involved the construction of a ship channel and turning basin in the lagoon. This project, however, was contracted to a Taiwanese firm. Seabees, however, continued to work on support and personnel facilities in the cantonment area at the northern tip of the atoll. The second major area of construction was the airfield and its supporting facilities. Revised requirements called for the extension of the original 8,000-foot runway to 12,000 feet and additions were made to the parking apron and taxiways. New hangars and other support facilities were also built. In addition, construction of extensive petroleum, oil and lubricant storage facilities was initiated. The Navy required 480,000 barrels of storage to support ship and aircraft needs and the Air Force required an additional 160,000 barrels. During 1973 and 1974 Seabee units worked on all these projects. Because the final mission of Diego Garcia was still evolving, it was clear that still more construction would take place in the years to come.

    In 1975 and 1976 Congress authorized $28.6 million to expand the Diego Garcia facilities to provide minimal logistics support for U.S. task groups operating in the Indian Ocean. This mission expansion called for construction of a fuel pier, airfield expansion, and more petroleum, oil and lubricant storage, and personnel support facilities. Additional projects were undertaken in 1978. Construction was accomplished by both Seabees and private contractor personnel and it was anticipated that the Diego Garcia project would finally be completed in 1980. World events in 1979 and 1980, however, forced a reevaluation of the U.S. defense posture in the Indian Ocean Area which indicated the need for pre-positioned materials to support a rapid deployment force and a more active U.S. presence in the area. It was decided to further expand the facilities at Diego Garcia in order to provide support for several pre-positioned ships, loaded with critical supplies. By the end of 1980 the Naval Facilities Engineering Command had advertised a $100 million contract for initial dredging at Diego Garcia to expand the berthing facilities.

    In the early 1980s the construction effort at Diego Garcia rapidly shifted from Seabees to private contractors. The last full Seabee battalion, NMCB 62, departed the atoll in July 1982. While Seabees remained in detachments, contractor personnel took over the projects yet to be accomplished on Diego Garcia. Thus, what began as simply a communication station on a remote atoll became a major fleet and U.S. armed forces support base by the 1980s. By 1983 the only Seabee unit remaining on Diego Garcia was a detachment of NMCB 62. The departure of this detachment in September 1983 ended twelve years of priority effort on the island that included some 220 projects for the Navy and Air Force, valued in excess of $200 million. The work the Seabees completed on Diego Garcia since 1971 represented the largest peacetime construction effort in their history. Diego Garcia was the major Seabee construction effort of the 1970s and they acquitted themselves well under the difficult and isolated conditions that exist there. When the Seabees arrived they lived in tent camps, when they departed they left a fully-developed, modern military facility, capable of supporting thousands of U.S. personnel.
  9. whymememe

    whymememe Former Guest

    Oct 29, 2011
    FEMA Region IV
    thanks for posting, Chief, now we are drifting again. ;)
  10. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member
    November 22, 2010 - Determining who is and who is not a veteran does not seem like it would be that much of a challenge. The Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) took it upon itself to define who met the definition of "veteran," and to no surprise, not everybody agreed with the VA's definition.

    The VA's definition of who is a veteran is very simple: veterans are enlisted men and women who served at a minimum 180 days of active duty. These 180 days do not include time spent in training environments and that is irrespective of how much time they put into the service.

    That definition tends to anger 2 particular groups of soldiers: The National Guard and the Reserves. The old adage of not being able to run a war without National Guard and Reservists is very much true. Guardsmen and Reservists rarely escape duty in Iraq and Afghanistan so the majority of them are likely combat veterans. Because they have never served on extended active duty, however, they are not considered veterans by the VA.
  11. whymememe

    whymememe Former Guest

    Oct 29, 2011
    FEMA Region IV
    I'm just saying we need to get these conflicts between the combat vets and non-combat vets resolved. At this time in our history we need to be more unified. We need every swinging Richard. We are in this together. DIVIDED WE FALL
  12. whymememe

    whymememe Former Guest

    Oct 29, 2011
    FEMA Region IV
    Thanks, Carver I had not considered that.
  13. MSGT-R

    MSGT-R Active Member

    Feb 27, 2011
    Any Reservist called up for Desert Shield, Desert Storm, and after 9/11 got more than their share of that 180 days, you can be sure.
  14. whymememe

    whymememe Former Guest

    Oct 29, 2011
    FEMA Region IV
    I been thinking about the Reservists and Guard. They might need some special attention, I can see where they would really feel slighted and used. It is really a tricky system. It makes me think of a carnival shell game or a ring toss.
  15. MSGT-R

    MSGT-R Active Member

    Feb 27, 2011
    Don't worry, the reservists will get their VA in the end. If you're wounded on active duty, you stay on active duty until fully rehabilitated. If there is any disability, they will be attended to. For those who do not ever suffer disability, they will receive their VA eligibility after they retire, and reach 60 yrs old (when retirement benefits kick in).

    No tricks nor shell game to it, you just have to understand the ground rules of being a reservist.

    Active duty is active duty, it all adds up in the end when you have 20 "good" years (or more) towards retirement. That 180 day figure is just the point when your ID card turns from pink to green and they pay you from a different pot. You still get a DD-214 for each period of time on active duty, and the total points are applied toward your final retirement benefit percentage.
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2012
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