Vietnam Stastics (long)

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  1. dons2346

    dons2346 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    In case you haven't been paying attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam , the clock has been ticking.The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a HUGE SENSE OF PRIDE.

    "Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam , Less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old."

    So, if you're alive and reading this, how Does it feel to be among the last 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in Vietnam ?!?!? ....don't know about you guys, but kinda gives me the chills, considering this is the kind of information I'm used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets...

    So for the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by 2015...if any.. If true, 390 VN vets die a day. You will be lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive..... in only 6 years..

    These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer - 1st Recon April 12, 1997.

    STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS:

    * 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

    * 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964-March 28,1973).

    * 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this number represents 9.7% of their generation.

    * 3,403,100 (Including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater ( Vietnam , Laos , Cambodia , flight crews based in Thailand , and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).

    * 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1,1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.

    * Of the 2.6 million, between 1-1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.

    * 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam .

    * Peak troop strength in Vietnam : 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

    CASUALTIES:

    The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.

    Hostile deaths: 47,378

    Non-hostile deaths: 10,800

    Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties).. Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.

    8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA.

    61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.

    11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

    Of those killed, 17,539 were married.

    Average age of men killed: 23.1 years

    Total Deaths: 23.11 years

    Enlisted: 50,274 22.37 years

    Officers: 6,598 28.43 years

    Warrants: 1,276 24.73 years

    E1: 525 20.34 years

    11B MOS: 18,465 22.55 years

    Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

    The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

    Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9% for every 100,000 males in 1970).

    Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

    Severely disabled: 75,000, -- 23,214: 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

    Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea .

    Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.

    Missing in Action: 2,338

    POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)

    As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War.

    DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS:

    25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII).

    Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam .

    Reservists killed: 5,977

    National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.

    Total draftees (1965 - 73): 1,728,344.

    Actually served in Vietnam : 38% Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.

    Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

    RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:

    88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.

    86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics);

    12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races.

    170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam ; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there..

    70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.

    86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black;1.1% belonged to other races.

    14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.

    34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.

    Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

    Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none -- 6.7%

    SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:

    Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

    Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

    76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.

    Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.

    Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.

    79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. 63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.

    Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South -- 31%, West --29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.

    DRUG USAGE &CRIME:

    There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group.(Source: Veterans Administration Study)

    Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.

    85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

    WINNING &LOSING:

    82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.

    Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

    HONORABLE SERVICE:

    97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.

    91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.

    74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.

    87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem.

    INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS &THOSE TO CLAIM TO HAVE "Been There":

    1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August,1995 (census figures).

    During that same Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was: 9,492,958.

    As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. That's 390 per day.

    During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not.

    The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported with errors that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country. Corrections and confirmations to this erred index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. (All names are currently on file and accessible 24/7/365).

    Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations.

    From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers. - Nixon Presidential Papers
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    Thanks for the post, do you have a link for this? I would like to do some follow up research. I didn't realize we were going so fast but considering some of my friends can barely walk from palsy, I can barely walk from a back injury and 2 friends died from brain tumors in the last 10 years and the last of my closest friends from that period is waiting on a heart/lung transplant so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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    dons2346 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    I checked some facts but not all. Here is a link for info http://www.vhfcn.org/stats.htm

    Just got word this morning that a fellow school mate died. We were both born in 1946 and served in Vietnam. I am not looking forward to the next 6 years. If I get by that, then I'll make it.
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    I've been watching obits for about 10 yrs. and there is an inordinate number of Vietnam vets who don't make it to 60 yrs. of age. Makes me believe that there is more to this story than we have been told.:(:confused::(
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    I wonder about what the non-hostile deaths. Was it accidents, disease, or Agent Orange? That's more than 1/5 of the total number.
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    Non-hostile deaths were from vehicle accidents, heart attacks, disease, friendly fire, ticked-off prostitutes, mechanical misadventure or equipment malfunction and probably a host of other things for which I can't be as certain. Not everyone who died was given a posthumous Purple Heart just because they were in-country.

    I don't know about the deaths attributed to Agent Orange. Even though the VA now accepts a greater number of indicators of Agent Orange poisoning, I haven't heard of any vets getting PHs for it. I could be wrong.

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    Thanks Bullshoot, I may be wrong but that sounds like alot of non-hostile deaths. But then again we might have lost more stateside in vehicle accidents.
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    It's too bad that ol Teddy Kennedy and his cronies made all the deaths in vain by pulling the funding and war aid that was going to the South Vietnamese.
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    Very interesting statistics - thanks for sharing and enlightening us! One thought I had in looking at the wounded statistics:

    Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

    Severely disabled: 75,000, -- 23,214: 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

    Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea .

    Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.

    is that although these look bad when comparing them to WWII and Korea, they are actually good news because of the improved medical care in VN. In the previous wars, many of these soldiers would have perished. I would expect a similar comparison in the current wars vs. VN.

    I would hope the death rate of vets is an anomaly in statistics. We still have surviving WWII vets and Korean vets, so I would expect VN vets will still be around for many years to come. We are all getting older and our generation is dying off - but that is true for all of us, regardless of vocation.
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    I was wondering did this include the ones who died in Japan or Germany in Military Hospitals. From wounds they recieved in VN...His numbers did include the Mayaguez involvement thought, many times this had been shuffled to a different stack of statistics.



    Till 5 years ago i felt like a youngster at the VA hospital...I don't any more. I'm just 58 serving from 71 thru 75
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