Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Millwright, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Millwright

    Millwright Well-Known Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    "Voter Fraud" is a hot topic on both liberal and conservative blogs these days ! But is it "voter fraud" or is it "fraudulent voting" ?

    "Voter fraud" implies, (at least to me), the ballot or voting process has has been compromised in order to "defraud the voter" of his selections. OTOH, fraudulent voting means, (at least to me), an active action on the part of the voter to commit the crime of casting an illegal vote. A world of difference between those two actions !

    What if, come November, a close election was decided by the courts upon the fact that votes cast by fraudulent voters weren't "voter fraud" in that the vote recorded reflected the true intent of the voter ? (Remember the "hanging chads" controversy in FL in 2000 ? )

    IOW, if the left is willing to embrace discussion on "voter fraud", (even if USAG Holder claims it isn't an issue.), perhaps we ought to be taking a much closer look and how the difference in my description of terms can impact the looming election ! >MW
  2. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    I think what concerns me the most is these supposed cases of ballots having been cast for deceased voters. That is fraudulent voting. Another concern I have is the determined effort to prevent voters from having to show ID to vote. By having to show ID to vote, your vote gets registered to you. This then prevents an individual from going to vote in two different locations. Voters should have to show ID that shows them to be citizens of this country. Only US citizens are entitled to vote for the President and for Senators and Congressmen. Legal residents may have the right to vote in local town or city elections - that is up to the state laws though. I fear that this drive to prevent voters from having to show ID is an attempt to allow illegal votes to be cast by illegal aliens in the country.

    I lived abroad for 23 years in a parliamentary democratic government country. I was allowed to vote in our local city elections as a legal resident in that city. Of course I was not allowed to vote for their president or parliament members nor would I have expected to be. I was actually surprised that I was expected to vote in the city elections.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2012

  3. langenc

    langenc Active Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Montmorency Co, MI
    To enter the Democrat convention ID had to be shown. To vote they want anyone to do so without ID--

    Hippocritical to be sure.

    Must show birth cert to attend kindergarten or to buy alcohol but not to be pres of the US??

  4. Jerryboy

    Jerryboy Well-Known Member

    Mar 8, 2012
    one of the things that really pisses me off is that in order to vote in my district i have to do so at a public school, where i am denied my right to be armed, but people a couple miles away(in my home town/county but different district)can vote at the library, which doesn't have a policy regarding concealed carry:mad:
  5. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    Here I have to vote at our local fire department. Ask your town/city to move the voting venue. Go to a city council meeting and make them vote on doing so.
  6. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2007
    There was fraud in getting Obama's name on the ballot in Indiana in 2008; that's been proven.

    We do have a voter ID requirement here. The fraudsters have to plan better than simply "vote early, vote often."
  7. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Voter Fraud and fraudulent voting are both illegal. What is there to discuss? millwright, I do see your point though. Just because it's wrong, doesn't mean that the liberals will not try to make either on legal, at least in their minds.
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2012
  8. Millwright

    Millwright Well-Known Member

    Jun 30, 2005

    The current DOJ/USAG has shown itself willing to parse "intent" and obscure vaguaries of election law to the nth degree. In a close election they will determine what cases get investigated/prosecuted. Considering the Philadelphia, (NBPP), debacle its not hard to anticipate just how vigorously any claims of fraud in predominantly Democratic districts/wards will be pursued. IOW, if the weasel is guarding the henhouse, just how diligent will he be when the fox enters ? >MW
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